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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 09, 2025, 10:51:47 PMMy understanding comes from the economics of competition. If you assume two firms in an oligopoly market, if both set production simultaneously (Cornot), the optimal strategy ends with both producing the same.  If one acts first (Stackleberg) but knows the other will respond, the leader can secure a higher quantity.  The follower will accept less because the price impact of producing more will result in net less profit.  It's an interesting result in the economics of information because it arguably shows that having more information gives a worse result.

The scenario assumes fixed and unchanging supply and demand conditions over time and assumes a strict sequence in selection that can't be changed once made.  So it doesn't apply to a dynamic diplomatic situation.

I had it wrong. Forget Stackleberg, forget game theory.  Rational self interest can lead to unfairness.  Full stop.

The Minsky Moment

At risk of kicking the bee's nest, I'd suggest that the dispute over NATO relationships isn't about rationality; but about different priorities over principles.  Both sides are making rationally based arguments, but one side puts a higher value on reciprocity; the other on solidarity. That's also the source I think of the tension; the "Yuro side" perceives the "Yank side" critique as undermining solidarity; the Yank side sees the Yuros as endorsing unfairness.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 10:20:56 AMAt risk of kicking the bee's nest, I'd suggest that the dispute over NATO relationships isn't about rationality; but about different priorities over principles.  Both sides are making rationally based arguments, but one side puts a higher value on reciprocity; the other on solidarity. That's also the source I think of the tension; the "Yuro side" perceives the "Yank side" critique as undermining solidarity; the Yank side sees the Yuros as endorsing unfairness.

As I said earlier, the time for that debate was *before* the Yuros promised to raise their contributions.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 10:23:31 AMAs I said earlier, the time for that debate was *before* the Yuros promised to raise their contributions.

Which most of them did.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on Today at 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 10:23:31 AMAs I said earlier, the time for that debate was *before* the Yuros promised to raise their contributions.

Which most of them did.

So what?  I'm not accusing them of having had a different POV. I'm accusing them of breaking a promise.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 11:04:54 AMSo what?  I'm not accusing them of having had a different POV. I'm accusing them of breaking a promise.

You misunderstand me.  I'm saying most of them did keep their promise, and the ones who came in after the promise was made have also met or exceeded the promised level on time (though I think they all came in  above it already).

Valmy

Quote from: Tonitrus on November 10, 2025, 07:39:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2025, 06:45:45 PMForce the Republicans to tank the filibuster or make them cave.

And if they don't do either of those, what should the plan be?

Sounds like the Republicans problem. But in any case we will probably do this all over again next year.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on Today at 11:07:48 AMYou misunderstand me.  I'm saying most of them did keep their promise, and the ones who came in after the promise was made have also met or exceeded the promised level on time (though I think they all came in  above it already).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44717074

This article says 23 of 32 members met their commitments in 2024.  They have to use a lot  of clunky tenses because they're reporting in early 2025 when the 24 figures are still preliminary.  The original promise was by 2024.

So I know that not every country "met or exceeded the promised level on time" because on time was by year end 2024.

I'm pretty damn sure not every country will meet or exceed the promised level a year late because Spain has said they  can't/won't do it.