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Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Eddie Teach

It's easy to claim you're willing to compromise and then refuse to make meaningful concessions. Without a deal, you never have to prove it.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 05, 2018, 03:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 02:04:01 AM
It's been a while since either side was willing to compromise.

That is simply not remotely true, and is self evidently not true.

opposition to every GOP SC pick going back 30 years


This is bullshit.




I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

bogh

Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 08:47:04 AM
It's easy to claim you're willing to compromise and then refuse to make meaningful concessions. Without a deal, you never have to prove it.

So the unless you are willing to completely surrounded to the unbending opposition, you're unwilling to compromise? In a world of zero information that might be a reasonable assertion. In the real world with observable behavior and opinions from both sides it is clearly not.

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Is there a term for "both sides" extremist, the kind of extremist that would say "it takes two to tango" even in the case of Nazis v. Jews?  I've never encountered a good concise one.  I've encountered a number of such people in recent years; some are just conservatives who don't dare to speak their mind, but some are legitimately pathologically allergic to any black and white conclusion.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: bogh on August 05, 2018, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 08:47:04 AM
It's easy to claim you're willing to compromise and then refuse to make meaningful concessions. Without a deal, you never have to prove it.

So the unless you are willing to completely surrounded to the unbending opposition, you're unwilling to compromise? In a world of zero information that might be a reasonable assertion. In the real world with observable behavior and opinions from both sides it is clearly not.

In the real world, both sides think they are giving away the farm. You sympathize with the Democrats so any concessions they make seem huge and any Republican demands unreasonable. The reverse is true for people like my mother or father(r.i.p.).
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Eddie Teach

Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2018, 09:25:25 AM
Is there a term for "both sides" extremist, the kind of extremist that would say "it takes two to tango" even in the case of Nazis v. Jews?  I've never encountered a good concise one.  I've encountered a number of such people in recent years; some are just conservatives who don't dare to speak their mind, but some are legitimately pathologically allergic to any black and white conclusion.

Clearly you don't mean me, since I am Team Jew all the way.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

grumbler

Twenty-two Democratic Senators were willing to vote for Roberts.  Only nine Republican were willing to vote for Sotomayor and only five for Kagan.  Not one Republican was willing to vote for Merrick Garland.  Not a single one, even in committee.  It is laughable to assert that those represent an equal unwillingness to compromise.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Camerus

And a whopping 3 Democrats voted for Gorsuch.

DGuller

Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 09:33:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2018, 09:25:25 AM
Is there a term for "both sides" extremist, the kind of extremist that would say "it takes two to tango" even in the case of Nazis v. Jews?  I've never encountered a good concise one.  I've encountered a number of such people in recent years; some are just conservatives who don't dare to speak their mind, but some are legitimately pathologically allergic to any black and white conclusion.

Clearly you don't mean me, since I am Team Jew all the way.
That was not a veiled attack on anyone, I'm asking a general question.  We have terms for right-wing and left-wing radicals, but I think another important piece to the breakdown of compromise are the radical "two-siders".  Their unwillingness to pass meaningful judgment let the right-wing radicals off the hook and free to go further and further to the extremes, for the most part.

grumbler

Quote from: Camerus on August 05, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
And a whopping 3 Democrats voted for Gorsuch.

Yeah, well, eventually obstructionism is going to see a reaction.  Still, three is more than zero.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Eddie Teach

This really seems like a difference in degree(perhaps, haven't looked up any of the confirmations that haven't been mentioned) rather than kind.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Berkut

Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 07:07:26 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 05, 2018, 03:53:15 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on August 05, 2018, 02:04:01 AM
It's been a while since either side was willing to compromise.

That is simply not remotely true, and is self evidently not true.

No wall, no Democrat votes on successful tax bill or failed Obama care overhaul, opposition to every GOP SC pick going back 30 years... Heck, wasn't there a government shutdown over a few hundred million dollars to Planned Parenthood?

Anyway, when there is no successful agreement, it rings hollow to say your side is willing to compromise but the other side wasn't. And there haven't been any major compromises in over a decade.

There has not been any attempt to "overhaul" Obama care. Just a lot of successful attempts to sabotage it outright.

No wall? Are you kidding me? That is how you measure "compromise"?
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Razgovory

Let's do a compromise wall, meet them half way.  We build the wall, but it's only three feet high.  Wait why are we even discussing the wall.  Mexico is going to pay for it.  Soon as that check clears we start construction.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017