What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[DontSayBanana]

Trump may block Comey from testifying (he hasn't decided yet).

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN18T1WZ?il=0

Bluff. That would bring Mueller right to the White House's doorstep: his mandate is broad enough that he could decide there's significant cause to investigate WH obstruction as an issue "arising from" his current investigation.

[The Larch]

Then it's perhaps fair to say that Donald's withdrawal and the reaction to the withdrawal are yugely overblown.

No, quite the opposite. It was a temper tantrum. It was the same kind of temper tantrum that led to the rant at NATO HQ. Since it wasn't legally binding, and he could have literally completely changed the targets without anything happening ("We gave it a shot, but it was too expensive to be fully implemented by our industrial sector"), there was no reason to torpedo the whole thing except to piss off Obama and/or the other participating countries.

This has Steve Bannon all over it.

Apparently he was the main driver behind the move, yes. He just doesn't like anything that smells of "globalism".

[Barrister]

Yes.  The legal terms of the agreement itself are not of great significance.  It is significant as a signaling mechanism, both ways.

Then it's perhaps fair to say that Donald's withdrawal and the reaction to the withdrawal are yugely overblown.

Perhaps.

I'm also not entirely certain Donald even realized this distinction, though.

I'm actually pretty certain he just came to the decision because the last person he talked to before the announcement said "Nope, withdraw!" And that was that.

No, this sounds like something that Trump was really firm on.  The list of people who tried to tell him to stay in was very very long, apparently, including Ivanka and Kushner.

[DontSayBanana]

No, this sounds like something that Trump was really firm on.  The list of people who tried to tell him to stay in was very very long, apparently, including Ivanka and Kushner.

And Gary Cohn. So apparently this deal that was so bad for the US economy had the director of the National Economic Council saying stay?

It really does have Bannon's fingerprints all over it- we're running out of inner circle personnel at the White House that could have convinced him to make such a phenomenal blunder.

[11B4V]

No, this sounds like something that Trump was really firm on.  The list of people who tried to tell him to stay in was very very long, apparently, including Ivanka and Kushner.

And Gary Cohn. So apparently this deal that was so bad for the US economy had the director of the National Economic Council saying stay?

It really does have Bannon's fingerprints all over it- we're running out of inner circle personnel at the White House that could have convinced him to make such a phenomenal blunder.

Guarantee that little mother fucker was the main driver.

[mongers]

Guys, some good news, you've already got 134 days of this soap drama behind you. 

Just another 1,327 days to 2021 inauguration. 


My prediction this thread will top out at 4,000 pages.

Or maybe 8,000 pages. 

[Valmy]

Right now I am just thinking about 2018. A victory there would ease my concerns greatly. I mean presuming we are all not dead.

[Oexmelin]

Well, you and Yi better start convincing people one by one, because 2018 doesn't look so promising.

[Jacob]

Yeah. It's nice to think that Trump is just so terrible that 2018 will be watershed rejection of what he stands for... but just hoping real hard is probably not going to move the needle much.

[Oexmelin]

Indeed, as CdM said, the very things that make him terrible are what make him popular among his core constituency. And it's a politically very motivated constituency. Then there are the Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat because insert specious pretext here. Part of the reason why I posted the poll is my fear that there are a bunch of apathetic liberal people out there who confuse voicing outrage on Facebook with "doing their part" (and therefore, feel confident about Trump's demise). 

[Jacob]

Indeed, as CdM said, the very things that make him terrible are what make him popular among his core constituency. And it's a politically very motivated constituency. Then there are the Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat because insert specious pretext here. Part of the reason why I posted the poll is my fear that there are a bunch of apathetic liberal people out there who confuse voicing outrage on Facebook with "doing their part" (and therefore, feel confident about Trump's demise).

"Nobody I know voted for Trump."

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah. It's nice to think that Trump is just so terrible that 2018 will be watershed rejection of what he stands for... but just hoping real hard is probably not going to move the needle much.

As long as the Electoral College guarantees that 1 man /= 1 vote, a hard 40% will outlast an apathetic 60%.

Besides, things aren't really going to happen until the 2020 Census opens the door for some redistricting.

[Valmy]

Well, you and Yi better start convincing people one by one, because 2018 doesn't look so promising.

Yuk yuk yuk

[Valmy]

Indeed, as CdM said, the very things that make him terrible are what make him popular among his core constituency. And it's a politically very motivated constituency. Then there are the Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat because insert specious pretext here. Part of the reason why I posted the poll is my fear that there are a bunch of apathetic liberal people out there who confuse voicing outrage on Facebook with "doing their part" (and therefore, feel confident about Trump's demise). 

His constituency is doing the same fucking thing: bitching on facebook.

Rioting in the streets and shooting people in the face is not going to have the dramatic positive impact you seem to think.

[Ed Anger]

Indeed, as CdM said, the very things that make him terrible are what make him popular among his core constituency. And it's a politically very motivated constituency. Then there are the Republicans who would never vote for a Democrat because insert specious pretext here. Part of the reason why I posted the poll is my fear that there are a bunch of apathetic liberal people out there who confuse voicing outrage on Facebook with "doing their part" (and therefore, feel confident about Trump's demise). 

His constituency is doing the same fucking thing: bitching on facebook.

Rioting in the streets and shooting people in the face is not going to have the dramatic positive impact you seem to think.

That is how you get the Trumpenreich SA.