Lawyers claim ringtones are public performance

[crazy canuck]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

At some point a lawyer gave the opinion that this was at least a viable argument hence the 

It the same reaction I have whenever I see a frivolous law suit.

[Martinus]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

It's only an argument made in court.  If the argument succeeds you should blame the judge.  If the argument fails you don't need to blame anyone.

As a fellow lawyer, I disagree. A lawyer's job is, among others, to point out to their clients when they are going too far.

[Martinus]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

At some point a lawyer gave the opinion that this was at least a viable argument hence the 

It the same reaction I have whenever I see a frivolous law suit.

I would support public executions for lawyers filing frivolous law suits. Should deal with the problem somewhat.

[Neil]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

It's only an argument made in court.  If the argument succeeds you should blame the judge.  If the argument fails you don't need to blame anyone.

As a fellow lawyer, I disagree. A lawyer's job is, among others, to point out to their clients when they are going too far.

That's a waste of time when you're talking to executives in copyright bodies.  There's no depth they won't sink to.

[Barrister]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

It's only an argument made in court.  If the argument succeeds you should blame the judge.  If the argument fails you don't need to blame anyone.

As a fellow lawyer, I disagree. A lawyer's job is, among others, to point out to their clients when they are going too far.

In private.  And then follow your client's instructions.

I dunno - this principle sounds silly, but maybe it has a small chance of success.

[Martinus]

Well, various "pirate parties" are gaining support in Europe. If media companies and copyright bodies do not curb their excesses, they will be eaten alive (perhaps, except, the US where they have the legislators in their pockets).

[Martinus]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

It's only an argument made in court.  If the argument succeeds you should blame the judge.  If the argument fails you don't need to blame anyone.

As a fellow lawyer, I disagree. A lawyer's job is, among others, to point out to their clients when they are going too far.

In private.  And then follow your client's instructions.

I dunno - this principle sounds silly, but maybe it has a small chance of success.

*shrug* Usually my clients follow my advice. They may bitch and moan at first, but eventually they give up when they want to do something stupid and I advise them against it.

I just think too many lawyers are all too happy to just charge billable hours on whatever idiocy their clients think up. Most clients loathe to throw money at some no-go project. So I don't really think it's them, but the greedy/compliant lawyers who are at fault.

[Barrister]

*shrug* Usually my clients follow my advice. They may bitch and moan at first, but eventually they give up when they want to do something stupid and I advise them against it.

I dunno - divorce clients and criminal clients can be pretty bad at following their lawyer's advice...

[Martinus]

*shrug* Usually my clients follow my advice. They may bitch and moan at first, but eventually they give up when they want to do something stupid and I advise them against it.

I dunno - divorce clients and criminal clients can be pretty bad at following their lawyer's advice...

Oh, divorce and criminal lawyers are scum. Don't get me wrong - they are needed; the same way we need the intestinal bacteria. Doesn't mean you have to like them, though.

[crazy canuck]

I dunno - divorce clients and criminal clients can be pretty bad at following their lawyer's advice...

In the case of criminal law clients, the act was already committed.  All that is left to do is see if the Crown can make its case so I dont see the parallel there.  I know even less about family law - thank goodness.

[dps]

Cell phone ringtones aren't public performances--they're public nuisances.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

Cell phone ringtones aren't public performances--they're public nuisances.

yeah if there's going to be some kind of fee, this should be it. Nuisance tax.

my cell either sounds like a phone (a real phone, not a cell phone) or is on silent or vibrate

[Neil]

my cell either sounds like a phone (a real phone, not a cell phone) or is on silent or vibrate

You're a good soul.

[Alatriste]

You know, some day (sooner rather than later) we are going to have a Zen trial: If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it generate royalties?

[Razgovory]

Why all the lawyer hate?   

It's only an argument made in court.  If the argument succeeds you should blame the judge.  If the argument fails you don't need to blame anyone.

Shakespeare.