Who is the most revered person in your country's history?

Started by Syt, September 22, 2016, 03:01:34 AM

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viper37

#135
September 23, 2016, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 23, 2016, 09:47:32 AM
That ought to make you happy.  :D
I want to vomit.

If at least, it convinces people to follow politics, it's a good thing though, I'll admit that.
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The Minsky Moment

#136
September 23, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: Gups on September 22, 2016, 06:45:34 AM
The top 10 list from a big BBC survey in 2002:

1.Sir Winston Churchill
2.Isambard Kingdom Brunel
3.Diana, Princess of Wales
4.Charles Darwin
5.William Shakespeare
6.Sir Isaac Newton
7.Elizabeth I
8.John Lennon
9.Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson
10.Oliver Cromwell


Apart from Diana and arguably Lennon, it's a decent enough top 10.

No JM Keynes.  Total and utter fail.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

#137
September 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
Also Aquinas and William of Ockham should make the top 10.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

celedhring

#138
September 23, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
Also Aquinas and William of Ockham should make the top 10.

The English list?  :hmm:

Valmy

#139
September 23, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
William of Ockham should make the top 10.

His razor suggests it is just because he lived so long ago. I bet Alfred the Great would have been #1 back in the 10th century.
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The Minsky Moment

#140
September 23, 2016, 03:55:37 PM
Quote from: celedhring on September 23, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
The English list?  :hmm:

:lol:
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The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

#141
September 23, 2016, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
His razor suggests it is just because he lived so long ago. I bet Alfred the Great would have been #1 back in the 10th century.

Alfred's not a bad choice either.
Ockham is pretty important in both philosophy and political theory.  I'd flip your point around and argue his exclusion is due to recency bias.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Malthus

#142
September 23, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2016, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2016, 03:26:58 PM
His razor suggests it is just because he lived so long ago. I bet Alfred the Great would have been #1 back in the 10th century.

Alfred's not a bad choice either.

I'd put Alfred on the list. Defeated the "hard pagan" Viking invaders (and helped at least some of them settle down to become civilized neighbors after beating 'em), helped re-invigorate basic literacy, founded many of what became English towns.

The trifecta of civilization (defense against barbarians, literacy, urbanism). Not a bad set of accomplishments.  :)
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Delirium

#143
September 25, 2016, 04:15:05 PM
Astrid Lindgren?
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Razgovory

#144
September 25, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Quote from: celedhring on September 23, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
Also Aquinas and William of Ockham should make the top 10.

The English list?  :hmm:

Hey, I got a question:  Is Averroes considered a great Spaniard?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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celedhring

#145
September 26, 2016, 01:42:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 25, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Quote from: celedhring on September 23, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
Also Aquinas and William of Ockham should make the top 10.

The English list?  :hmm:

Hey, I got a question:  Is Averroes considered a great Spaniard?

No. And in my old textbooks they even cheekily tried to claim Trajan and Hadrian as kinda-Spanish, but no luck for dirty mooselimb thinkers.

The Larch

#146
September 26, 2016, 05:24:22 AM
Quote from: celedhring on September 26, 2016, 01:42:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 25, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
Quote from: celedhring on September 23, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 23, 2016, 03:17:31 PM
Also Aquinas and William of Ockham should make the top 10.

The English list?  :hmm:

Hey, I got a question:  Is Averroes considered a great Spaniard?

No. And in my old textbooks they even cheekily tried to claim Trajan and Hadrian as kinda-Spanish, but no luck for dirty mooselimb thinkers.

Really? I seem to recall him being mentioned as one of the great figures of Al-Andalus.  :hmm:

The Minsky Moment

#147
September 26, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
When I visited Cordoba they had a plaque and a little square commemorating Maimonides.  So there's that.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

celedhring

#148
September 26, 2016, 11:22:29 AM Last Edit: September 26, 2016, 11:24:09 AM by celedhring
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 26, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
When I visited Cordoba they had a plaque and a little square commemorating Maimonides.  So there's that.

Jewish though. :contract: We officially regret our nasty business with the Jews, but we don't officially regret kicking out the Muslims. So Jewish great men get plaques and squares, while Muslims get their severed heads in our heraldry.




Al-Andalus was absolutely glossed over when I went to school.

Siege

#149
September 26, 2016, 05:26:49 PM
George Washington
Ronald Reagan
Donald Trump


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