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Mother Theresa was...

Started by Martinus, September 06, 2016, 02:56:21 PM

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Mother Theresa was...

A living saint
9 (21.4%)
A flawed but well meaning individual
18 (42.9%)
A deeply troubled victim of her superstitions and prejudices
11 (26.2%)
An evil fraud
4 (9.5%)

Total Members Voted: 41

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Ancient Demon

I agree with the haters, and find it difficult to have sympathy for anyone who believes that poverty and suffering are beautiful.
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Scipio

Quote from: Ancient Demon on September 07, 2016, 08:59:25 PM
I agree with the haters, and find it difficult to have sympathy for anyone who believes that poverty and suffering are beautiful.
The question is not are poverty and suffering beautiful qua themselves, but if they have meaning, and are thus beautiful. To a secularist, no suffering or poverty has meaning. And that is the conundrum of Mother Theresa, because in the orthodox Christian world, suffering and poverty have meaning and worth and are beautiful.
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Scipio

But honestly, the same people who hate Mother Theresa hate Pius XII because he was Hitler's Pope, a demonstrably false canard.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Scipio on September 07, 2016, 09:10:59 PM
But honestly, the same people who hate Mother Theresa hate Pius XII because he was Hitler's Pope, a demonstrably false canard.

Well, they hate all Popes.
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Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Scipio on September 07, 2016, 09:10:19 PM
And that is the conundrum of Mother Theresa, because in the orthodox Christian world, suffering and poverty have meaning and worth and are beautiful.

The question, then, is why did she herself try so hard to avoid her own suffering?  She refused palliative care for her patients while seeking the same for herself at the end of her life.

HVC

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 07, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
Quote from: Scipio on September 07, 2016, 09:10:19 PM
And that is the conundrum of Mother Theresa, because in the orthodox Christian world, suffering and poverty have meaning and worth and are beautiful.

The question, then, is why did she herself try so hard to avoid her own suffering?  She refused palliative care for her patients while seeking the same for herself at the end of her life.
same reason politicians get caught with hookers, it's easier to tell other people how to live the. Do it yourself, even if you fully believe in your words. Hypocrisy and self interest are funny little human quirks.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 07, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
The question, then, is why did she herself try so hard to avoid her own suffering?  She refused palliative care for her patients while seeking the same for herself at the end of her life.

Because she can't continue her Good Works if she's dead.

Martinus

I guess the simple test is to ask if the world would have been a better place if she had not existed.

If the answer is no, then your answer on the poll falls somewhere between 1 and 2.

If the answer is yes, then your answer on the poll falls somewhere between 3 and 4.


Ancient Demon

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 07, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
Quote from: Scipio on September 07, 2016, 09:10:19 PM
And that is the conundrum of Mother Theresa, because in the orthodox Christian world, suffering and poverty have meaning and worth and are beautiful.

The question, then, is why did she herself try so hard to avoid her own suffering?  She refused palliative care for her patients while seeking the same for herself at the end of her life.

Yep, just another religious hypocrite. Suffering is only good when it happens to other people.
Ancient Demon, formerly known as Zagys.

garbon

Quote from: Ancient Demon on September 08, 2016, 12:27:10 AM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 07, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
Quote from: Scipio on September 07, 2016, 09:10:19 PM
And that is the conundrum of Mother Theresa, because in the orthodox Christian world, suffering and poverty have meaning and worth and are beautiful.

The question, then, is why did she herself try so hard to avoid her own suffering?  She refused palliative care for her patients while seeking the same for herself at the end of her life.

Yep, just another religious hypocrite. Suffering is only good when it happens to other people.

Seems a bit strange to lay your hat on that. So had she only sought out same care (or no care) as her patients, then she'd be totally okay because she was consistent?
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The Brain

Had to vote a living saint. I don't know if Mart included poll answer 1 as a joke, but it is somewhat useless. Being a saint means being a religious fanatic with values different from ordinary folks, and there's also an explicit list of saints (slight simplification).
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grumbler

Quote from: Ancient Demon on September 08, 2016, 12:27:10 AM
Yep, just another religious hypocrite. Suffering is only good when it happens to other people.

I've never seen anything from her that would indicate that she didn't feel that her own suffering was not good for her.  It seems to that you are reaching the  conclusions you want to reach.
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lustindarkness

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 08, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 07, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
The question, then, is why did she herself try so hard to avoid her own suffering?  She refused palliative care for her patients while seeking the same for herself at the end of her life.

Because she can't continue her Good Works if she's dead.

But... she did.
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