Acts of Terrorism megathread

[Sheilbh]

His first two terms were pretty successful.

What's the ultra-religious agenda? As I say to me he's a Putinist - authoritarian managed democracy with crony capitalism and a call back to cultural and/or religious conservatism - not unlike Orban/Netanyahu/Putin/Modi/Trump than a religious ideologue.

[Razgovory]

Duck just did that.  I praised him for liberalizing the economy and weakening the despotic CHP.

Duck did not call him a Jihadi, though obviously as I am friends with many of those Gulenists who stupidly put him in power (and are now living in exile having had all their property confiscated and their families arrested) I am sure he would probably not look kindly on that either.

I never trusted Erdogan at all. You were so blinded by your hatred of the CHP you saw nothing but rainbows and sunshine for an exessively long time. I did find that rather tiresome.

But hey good on your for coming to your senses eventually.

Sorry I use "Jihadis- and Islamists" pretty interchangeably.  I thought they had the same meaning.  Of course I hate CHP.  They are despotic fascists.  I actually looked back in the archives and no, I was critical of Erdogan.  I explicitly calling him a conservative, and I stated that while I didn't like conservatives that isn't sufficient to overthrow a government which many members of Languish were rooting for at the time.

[Maladict]

A card drove into a carnival parade in Germany. Several wounded including children, no fatalities reported so far.
Driver in custody, doesn't seem to have been an accident.

[Zanza]

A card drove into a carnival parade in Germany. Several wounded including children, no fatalities reported so far.
Driver in custody, doesn't seem to have been an accident.

29 year old German perpetrator in a very small village ... another incel Nazi perhaps or something personal...
Apparently he was completely drunk.

[Valmy]

I explicitly calling him a conservative, and I stated that while I didn't like conservatives that isn't sufficient to overthrow a government which many members of Languish were rooting for at the time.

What does that even mean in this context? A conservative Turk and a conservative American are very different things. He presented himself as a reformer, never a conservative. I question you really made such a ridiculous out of touch claim.

And spare me your whataboutism.

Sorry I use "Jihadis- and Islamists" pretty interchangeably.

So does that mean you consider the Saudi government a Jihadist one? Or do you not regard them as Islamists?

[crazy canuck]

I explicitly calling him a conservative, and I stated that while I didn't like conservatives that isn't sufficient to overthrow a government which many members of Languish were rooting for at the time.

What does that even mean in this context? A conservative Turk and a conservative American are very different things. He presented himself as a reformer, never a conservative. I question you really made such a ridiculous out of touch claim.

And spare me your whataboutism.

It is not uncommon to lump Turkey into the same group as Poland, Hungary, Brazil, India, the US etc in terms of conservative movements that have become right wing populists.


https://theweek.com/articles/804453/why-are-rightwing-populists-winning-everywhere

[Razgovory]

I explicitly calling him a conservative, and I stated that while I didn't like conservatives that isn't sufficient to overthrow a government which many members of Languish were rooting for at the time.

What does that even mean in this context? A conservative Turk and a conservative American are very different things. He presented himself as a reformer, never a conservative. I question you really made such a ridiculous out of touch claim.

And spare me your whataboutism.

Sorry I use "Jihadis- and Islamists" pretty interchangeably.

So does that mean you consider the Saudi government a Jihadist one? Or do you not regard them as Islamists?

I think that Saudi Arabia teaches the Jihadist ideology and exports it.  So Jihadist might be a fair term.  I don't know.  Probably not.

He's a conservative.  While I'm no fan of conservatives I don't believe that's enough to declare him the worst man alive and up end a country.  He's like Victor Orban, yet nobody suggests that Orban is launching suicide attacks, that he be overthrown by force or that he be jailed indefinitely for impromptu poetry jams.  What makes the difference?

Your question has been answered.  http://languish.org/forums/index.php?action=post;quote=1222746;topic=14158.1300

In the future you probably shouldn't question if I would make a ridiculousness claim, because I probably would.   While I couldn't find an example of Erdogan saying the world "conservative" because he speaks in Turkish and that language totally alien to to me, I did find that his party describes itself as "conservative".  In fact the term they use to describe their ideology is "Muhafazakâr demokrasi" Conservative Democracy.  So it's likely that Erdogan described himself as a conservative at some point.

[Duque de Bragança]

His first two terms were pretty successful.

What's the ultra-religious agenda? As I say to me he's a Putinist - authoritarian managed democracy with crony capitalism and a call back to cultural and/or religious conservatism - not unlike Orban/Netanyahu/Putin/Modi/Trump than a religious ideologue.

Pretty successful indeed in using the reforms advocated by the EU to curb the power of the secularist Turkish military. His crony capitalism did not show up too much back then as well I suppose.
One can also note the successful use of alleged conspiracies such as Ergenekon (Deep State) and the Sledgehammer coup plan.

As for the islamist agenda, this is common knowledge and has been in the news over here :Reversing secularization for starters, brandishing the Al-Quran during "political" meetings, compulsory islamic lessons in state-owned schools, putting "devout muslims" (read fundies- as teachers there, pushing for the use of islamic scarf, restricting the sale of alcohol, for instance.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/religion/laicite/turquie-comment-erdo-an-islamise-la-societe_2144534.html

[Sheilbh]

Pretty successful indeed in using the reforms advocated by the EU to curb the power of the secularist Turkish military.

Which was and is the right thing to do.

One can also note the successful use of alleged conspiracies such as Ergenekon (Deep State) and the Sledgehammer coup plan.

Right-ish, I think. There was truth and falsehood mixed together, to use against AKP enemies. But I think there were conspiracies and coup atttempts. I suppose I see this as a sign of the incipient authoritarianism/Putinism.

As for the islamist agenda, this is common knowledge and has been in the news over here :Reversing secularization for starters, brandishing the Al-Quran during "political" meetings, compulsory islamic lessons in state-owned schools, putting "devout muslims" (read fundies- as teachers there, pushing for the use of islamic scarf, restricting the sale of alcohol, for instance.

Again, I mean, where's the ultra-religious agenda. Is this really what's objectionable about Erdogan rather than the corruption, authoritarianism, crony capitalism etc? And looking at the way Putin uses the Orthodox Church, the Hindutva of Modi (strikes me as far more dangerous and ultra-religious) or even the way Orban uses Hungary's "Christian" identity - is it really any different? Maybe it's closer to Modi because I don't think it's mainly cynical.

He is an Islamist, but that's not necessarily a bad thing and it's far from the list of worst things about Erdogan.

[Razgovory]

I become upset when Erdogan purges people for disloyalty and oppresses an ethnic minority.  Duck becomes upset when Erdogan encourages women to wear a hat.

[Zanza]

A card drove into a carnival parade in Germany. Several wounded including children, no fatalities reported so far.
Driver in custody, doesn't seem to have been an accident.

29 year old German perpetrator in a very small village ... another incel Nazi perhaps or something personal...
Apparently he was completely drunk.

Looks like an apolitical crazy person.

[Duque de Bragança]

It has been a while but I would not call this back to normal though it's not a coronavirus piece of news:

Islamist Sudanese refugee kills two people in an terrorist knife attack

https://www.france24.com/en/20200404-knife-attack-leaves-two-dead-in-french-town-of-romans-sur-isère-mayor-says

Terrorism probe launched after knife attack in southeast France leaves two dead


Issued on: 04/04/2020 - 13:27
Modified: 04/04/2020 - 13:28
The town centre of Romans-sur-Isère, France was cordoned off by police after a knife attack on April 4, 2020.



The attack in broad daylight, which President Emmanuel Macron called "an odious act", took place with the country on lockdown in a bid to stem the spread of the deadly coronavirus.

Counter-terrorism prosecutors have launched an investigation into "murder linked to a terrorist enterprise" after the rampage in a string of shops in Romans-sur-Isère, a riverside town with a population of about 35,000.

The assailant – identified only as Abdallah A.-O., a refugee in his 30s from Sudan who lives in the town – was arrested without a fight by police.

"He was found on his knees on the pavement praying in Arabic," the prosecutor's office said.

According to witnesses cited by local radio station France Bleu Drome Ardèche, he shouted "Allahu Akbar!"(God is Greatest) as he stabbed his victims.

"Anyone who had the misfortune to find themselves in his way were attacked," town Mayor Marie-Helène Thoraval told AFP.

David Olivier Reverdy, from the National Police Alliance union, said the assailant had called on police to kill him when they came to arrest him.

The suspect first went into a tobacco shop where he attacked the owner and his wife, Thoraval said.

He then went into a butcher's shop where he seized another knife before heading to the town centre and attacking people in the street outside a bakery.

"He took a knife, jumped over the counter and stabbed a customer, then ran away," the shop owner, Ludovic Breyton, told AFP.

"My wife tried to help the victim but in vain."

Suspect unknown to police, intelligence services

Interior Minister Cristophe Castaner, who visited the scene later in the day, said two people were killed and five others wounded.

"This morning, a man embarked on a terrorist journey," he said.

The initial investigation has "brought to light a determined, murderous course likely to seriously disturb public order through intimidation or terror", according to the national anti-terrorist prosecutor's office.

It said that during a search of the suspect's home, "handwritten documents with religious connotations were found in which the author complains in particular that he lives in a country of non-believers".

The suspect, who obtained refugee status in 2017, was not known to police or intelligence services in France or in Europe, prosecutors said.

Macron denounced the attack in a statement on Twitter.

"The light will be shed on this odious act that casts a shadow over our country, which has already been hit hard in recent weeks," he said.

France is in its third week of a national lockdown over COVID-19, with all but essential businesses ordered to shut and people told to stay at home.

The country has been on terror alert since a wave of deadly jihadist bombings and shootings in Paris in 2015.

[mongers]

It has been a while but I would not call this back to normal though it's not a coronavirus piece of news:

Islamist Sudanese refugee kills two people in an terrorist knife attack

You'd think that ISIS et al would be trying some dramatic attacks to take advantage of our current crisis?

[Duque de Bragança]

It has been a while but I would not call this back to normal though it's not a coronavirus piece of news:

Islamist Sudanese refugee kills two people in an terrorist knife attack

You'd think that ISIS et al would be trying some dramatic attacks to take advantage of our current crisis?

I don't know. He could act on his own; islamist nutcases do not need much encouragement or orders.

[Iormlund]

During the first weeks they issued a memo telling their members to stay away from Europe for the duration.