Acts of Terrorism megathread

[viper37]

Never going to happen. The Supreme Court has spoken.

didn't the Supreme Court said it was up to the States to rule on the matter, and not the Federal gov?

[Valmy]

Never going to happen. The Supreme Court has spoken.

didn't the Supreme Court said it was up to the States to rule on the matter, and not the Federal gov?

I thought McDonald v. Chicago said gun ownership was a federally protected right and thus cannot be infringed upon by local governments.

At that point I regarded the gun control debate settled.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Court ruled that it is a personal right, incorporated against the states and localities, but subject to reasonable regulation that does not unduly burden the right to bear and use arms for "typical . . . lawful purposes".

That still leaves a lot of play re the scope of regulation.  For example, in Heller, the Court (Scalia) cited approvingly to regulations including: bans on sawed-off shotguns, bans on fully automatic weapons, prohibitions on concealed weapons, laws forbidding arms in "sensitive places" (like schools and government buildings), or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms, and prohibitions on possessions by felons and the mentally ill.  Scalia also made it clear that these examples were illustrative, not exhaustive, i.e. there could be many other potentially lawful regulations.

[Admiral Yi]

Adding on, I think the SC said in Chicago that the statute was overly broad, i.e. a total ban on handguns, not that any regulation of gun ownership was totally unconstitutional.

[11B4V]

Way I see it, there are three possibilities:

1) Extreme unluckiness. This dude was looking to shoot up a bunch of people, and he happened on the field that just happened to have a bunch of congressmen on it. Wrong place, wrong time.

2) Stalker. This guy was looking for a particular congressman (maybe Scalise, maybe someone else) and had scoped out that they were likely to be at this game at this time. Support is that the shooter just happened to hit the only one there who was part of congressional leadership.

3) If Scalise hadn't brought his own security, you'd be looking at 20-30 congressmen without protection. For somebody looking to do as much damage as possible to the House, that would have been basically the perfect soft target.

My money's on 3, and I suspect we'll find some kind of manifesto after some digging.

Seems like a Bernie supporter trying to take out the bad guys. I really hope that is not the case though.

It's going to get worse.

[derspiess]

Seems like Bernie Bros are a little more prone to violence than Hillary supporters.

[Grey Fox]

Just like Trump bros, right?

[derspiess]

Just like Trump bros, right?

Not quite.  Unless they have been gunning down congressmen and I wasn't aware of it.

[Grey Fox]

Not aware either

but still prone to violence.

[derspiess]

Not aware either

but still prone to violence.

When compared to Hillary supporters, I'd agree.  I guess in my original post, I was thinking specifically about groups affected by TDS.  Should have stated that.

[The Minsky Moment]

Only the Bernie supporters from Illinois are a problem. 
Or maybe it's the AARP card that sets them off?
Or maybe one incident doesn't establish statistical significance?

[Valmy]

When compared to Hillary supporters, I'd agree.  I guess in my original post, I was thinking specifically about groups affected by TDS.  Should have stated that.

Hillary supporters are stooges of the system so we remember that there will be other elections in the future. Having the Republicans elect even shittier leaders than we usually elect might help our chances. Shooting them could only ruin that.

But seriously it looks like Scalise is in bigger danger than I thought. I am not quite hand wringing yet but...

[Razgovory]

Only the Bernie supporters from Illinois are a problem. 
Or maybe it's the AARP card that sets them off?
Or maybe one incident doesn't establish statistical significance?

Derspeiss is thinking of the Alt-right guy who hated Clinton so much he voted for Sanders.  There does seem to be a connection between people who hated Clinton and people who are willing to kill.  It's almost as if people spent decades indoctrinating people to hate Clinton and the result was unstable people acting out that indoctrination if violent ways.

[frunk]

Milquetoast Centrists aren't going to inspire extremism in their followers.  Is this a surprise?

[derspiess]

Only the Bernie supporters from Illinois are a problem. 
Or maybe it's the AARP card that sets them off?
Or maybe one incident doesn't establish statistical significance?

Maybe not.  But remember this?  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/05/bernie-sanders-tells-supporters-to-knock-off-the-violence