Quo Vadis GOP?

[Razgovory]

Heritage Foundation backs the growing anti-semitic conspiracist wing of the GOP.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/31/conservative-reaction-tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes-interview

I know, I know.  The real problem is 17 guys in Brooklyn waving a Hamas flag.  Not the $400 million foundation with profound influence inside the US government and the popular commentators with millions of followers and regular viewers.

I just wish this was mentioned at all. The second we have a politician who wants to do something about poverty and the growing homelessness and wealth gap issue suddenly their views of Israel and Jews become extremely important. If you are a right wing ghoul you can basically constantly spew blood libels and nobody cares.

Guess you didn't read the article.  It is very much about people caring about right-wing ghouls spreading blood libels.  Honestly I think the benign indifference to this issue is causing people to be blind to what is going on.  Both left and right are saying the same thing with different vocabulary.  Fuentes talks about a Jewish Oligarchy while the Far-left talks about AIPAC and the Zionist Lobby.  Both sides against the middle, and I fear the Centre can not hold.

[crazy canuck]

Raz, do you really not see the difference between the blood libel claim, and a concern that there is a strong Zionist lobby in Washington?

Also, it is striking to me that the other deeply offensive topics in that interview are not getting any mention (not a slight at you Raz, more a comment on the way the news media deals with issues). Their conversation about how patriarchy is the natural order of things, and the real problem in society is women are not submitting to their husbands, is to me extraordinary both because they feel comfortable enough to make those sorts of claims publicly, and I suppose they are correct to feel comfortable doing it because there are no adverse impacts for them.

[Razgovory]

Raz, do you really not see the difference between the blood libel claim, and a concern that there is a strong Zionist lobby in Washington?

Also, it is striking to me that the other deeply offensive topics in that interview are not getting any mention (not a slight at you Raz, more a comment on the way the news media deals with issues). Their conversation about how patriarchy is the natural order of things, and the real problem in society is women are not submitting to their husbands, is to me extraordinary both because they feel comfortable enough to make those sorts of claims publicly, and I suppose they are correct to feel comfortable doing it because there are no adverse impacts for them.

Do you not see that both left and right are talking about the same thing?  Whether it is AIPAC or Soros, they are talking about the same stuff.  And yes, the left does talk about the blood libel when they claim that the Israelis are stealing children's organs.  I would point you to Mohammed El Kurd who is (or was I don't know if he still is), the Gaza correspondent for The Nation, the flag shift news magazine for the American left for over a century, who claimed that Israelis are not only stealing organs of the Martyrs but eating them.

Here's the thing, both the far-left and the far-right want to bring down the US.  Israeli is sort of a microcosm for that.  The Far-right may have more power for now, but they are both working toward that same goal and they are both doing damage.  The far-left may just blow some holes in America, but it is likely that the far-right is going to fill them.

[grumbler]

Raz, you have to stop believing everything that you read on the internet.  For instance, El-Kurd said of your claim about Israelis eating the organs of dead Palestinians, "It's a metaphor, it's not something I literally believe. I'm just now realizing that they actually think, or are pretending to think for purposes of exaggeration, that I actually believe Israelis eat Palestinian organs.... At first it was comical, but now it seems very sinister."

Apply some common sense, for fuck's sake.

[Razgovory]

That is called "ass covering".  It's a quite popular among the Palestinians.  The problem was that non-Arabs read it.  "No, No, it's a joke!  Isn't it funny!?!" It's like when posts that every single Zionist should perish https://x.com/jgreenblattadl/status/1837176308159205855  Hilarious! 
Or talking about how the Zionists are blood thirsty for Palestinian blood
https://x.com/m7mdkurd/status/1404803780898656267
https://x.com/m7mdkurd/status/1392567102859513863

There is a pattern here.

The far right does that shit all the time.  Don't try to defend this piece of shit.

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't doubt anti-semitism exists on the Left and I certainly don't doubt it exists on Palestinian nationalist circles.

As an American Jew, however, it seems much less salient to me than right-wing antisemitism. Because left-wing antisemites in America and pro-Hamas types are completely marginalized politically and are powerless. Right wing anti-semites OTOH are literally in the position to whisper things in the President's ear and influence policy.  And they are not the same people at all; they are quite different and distinct.

When the Nazis come out waving swastikas in the light of day, there is no way you can convince me that I should be more worried about Brooklynites for Global Intifada.

[DGuller]

Raz, you have to stop believing everything that you read on the internet.  For instance, El-Kurd said of your claim about Israelis eating the organs of dead Palestinians, "It's a metaphor, it's not something I literally believe. I'm just now realizing that they actually think, or are pretending to think for purposes of exaggeration, that I actually believe Israelis eat Palestinian organs.... At first it was comical, but now it seems very sinister."

Apply some common sense, for fuck's sake.

For someone writing for a major publication, he seems to be exceptionally bad at metaphors.  Then again, you don't need to be that good at any kind of communication if no one will ever hold your responsible for anything you say.

[Razgovory]

I don't doubt anti-semitism exists on the Left and I certainly don't doubt it exists on Palestinian nationalist circles.

As an American Jew, however, it seems much less salient to me than right-wing antisemitism. Because left-wing antisemites in America and pro-Hamas types are completely marginalized politically and are powerless. Right wing anti-semites OTOH are literally in the position to whisper things in the President's ear and influence policy.  And they are not the same people at all; they are quite different and distinct.

When the Nazis come out waving swastikas in the light of day, there is no way you can convince me that I should be more worried about Brooklynites for Global Intifada.

Who should have Yaron Lischinsky, Sarah Milgrim, and Karen Diamond been worried about?

[grumbler]

Raz, you have to stop believing everything that you read on the internet.  For instance, El-Kurd said of your claim about Israelis eating the organs of dead Palestinians, "It's a metaphor, it's not something I literally believe. I'm just now realizing that they actually think, or are pretending to think for purposes of exaggeration, that I actually believe Israelis eat Palestinian organs.... At first it was comical, but now it seems very sinister."

Apply some common sense, for fuck's sake.

For someone writing for a major publication, he seems to be exceptionally bad at metaphors.  Then again, you don't need to be that good at any kind of communication if no one will ever hold your responsible for anything you say.

He used the metaphor in a poem, not a news article. I have no idea what your second sentence is supposed to be saying.

[DGuller]

Raz, you have to stop believing everything that you read on the internet.  For instance, El-Kurd said of your claim about Israelis eating the organs of dead Palestinians, "It's a metaphor, it's not something I literally believe. I'm just now realizing that they actually think, or are pretending to think for purposes of exaggeration, that I actually believe Israelis eat Palestinian organs.... At first it was comical, but now it seems very sinister."

Apply some common sense, for fuck's sake.

For someone writing for a major publication, he seems to be exceptionally bad at metaphors.  Then again, you don't need to be that good at any kind of communication if no one will ever hold your responsible for anything you say.

He used the metaphor in a poem, not a news article. I have no idea what your second sentence is supposed to be saying.

Sorry, it had a typo, let me try again.  "Then again, you don't need to be that good at any kind of communication if no one will ever hold you responsible for anything you say."

[grumbler]

Raz, you have to stop believing everything that you read on the internet.  For instance, El-Kurd said of your claim about Israelis eating the organs of dead Palestinians, "It's a metaphor, it's not something I literally believe. I'm just now realizing that they actually think, or are pretending to think for purposes of exaggeration, that I actually believe Israelis eat Palestinian organs.... At first it was comical, but now it seems very sinister."

Apply some common sense, for fuck's sake.

For someone writing for a major publication, he seems to be exceptionally bad at metaphors.  Then again, you don't need to be that good at any kind of communication if no one will ever hold your responsible for anything you say.

He used the metaphor in a poem, not a news article. I have no idea what your second sentence is supposed to be saying.

Sorry, it had a typo, let me try again.  "Then again, you don't need to be that good at any kind of communication if no one will ever hold you responsible for anything you say."

Okay, but isn't that a truism?  You don't have to be good at anything if no one will hold you responsible for doing it.