Pentagon ends ban on transgender troops in military

Started by garbon, June 30, 2016, 03:29:32 PM

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garbon

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-military-concerned-transgender-timeline-075734316--politics.html?nhp=1

We won't accept you but we'll let you die for us. :whistle:

QuoteTransgender people will be allowed to serve openly in the U.S. military, the Pentagon announced Thursday, ending one of the last bans on service in the armed forces.

Saying it's the right thing to do, Defense Secretary Ash Carter laid out a yearlong implementation plan declaring that "Americans who want to serve and can meet our standards should be afforded the opportunity to compete to do so."

"Our mission is to defend this country, and we don't want barriers unrelated to a person's qualification to serve preventing us from recruiting or retaining the soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine who can best accomplish the mission," Carter said at a Pentagon news conference.

Under the new policy, by Oct. 1, transgender troops already serving should be able to receive medical care and begin formally changing their gender identifications in the Pentagon's personnel system.

A year from now, he said, the military services will begin allowing transgender individuals to enlist, as long as they meet required standards and have been stable in their identified genders for 18 months.

Carter's announcement comes despite concerns from senior military leaders that the department is moving too fast and that more time is needed to work through the changes. He said he discussed the plans extensively with his military leaders and that, based on their recommendations, he made adjustments to the timeline. He said he has been told that the services now support the timeline.

Under the new policy, transgender troops would receive any medically necessary care including surgery, Carter said.

The new rules also give military commanders flexibility, noting that not all transition cases are the same. Commanders will have the discretion to make decisions on a case-by-case basis, including on job placement, deployments, training delays and other accommodations, based on the needs of the military mission and whether the service members can perform their duties.

For people coming into the military, the plan says that those with gender dysphoria, a history of medical treatments associated with gender transition and those who have had reconstruction surgery may be disqualified as military recruits unless a medical provider certifies that they have been clinically stable in the preferred gender for 18 months, and are free of significant impairment. And transgender troops receiving hormone therapy must have been stable on their medications for 18 months.

The policy provides broad guidelines for transgender service members currently in the military. They will be able to use the bathrooms, housing, uniforms and fitness standards of their preferred gender only after they have legally transitioned to that identity, according to officials.

Over the next year, the military services will develop and distribute training guidelines, medical protocols and other guidance to help commanders deal with any issues or questions about transgender troops.

Last July, Carter said he intended to rescind the ban, calling it outdated. He has long argued that the military must be more inclusive to bring in the best and brightest.

At the time, he ordered a six-month study to include extensive medical and scientific research and discussions with other nations and companies with experience in the process. He extended the study because the military wanted more time. Officials said he wanted to insure there was no impact on military readiness, but over time, he became frustrated with the slow progress.

Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, the House Armed Services Committee chairman, called the announcement another example of the administration "prioritizing politics over policy. " He questioned whether the change would affect military readiness and said the committee will push for answers.

Others praised the move as historic. The decision, said Aaron Belkin, director of the California-based Palm Center think tank, enhances "readiness as well as core values of honesty and integrity, an enormous accomplishment with a durable impact on all service members."
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.

derspiess

I'm shocked that the report ended up saying what the administration wanted it to say.  Shocked. 
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Admiral Yi

As long as we don't pay for their fucking surgery and hormones.

Razgovory

#4
Oh, so now they let crazy people in, a month before my 35th birthday.  Fuck you.
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LaCroix

worked security with a guy who was apparently a F->M transgender. worked lots of shifts with him and never knew until after I quit. coworkers had no idea, either. he was built and loved his cars and guns

responses itt are pretty uncalled for

Solmyr


derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
As long as we don't pay for their fucking surgery and hormones.

Eh, we will.  But it's okay-- Sec. Carter assures us the cost will be "minimal".
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Jacob

Quote from: Solmyr on June 30, 2016, 04:19:02 PM
I had no idea Languish was so transphobic.

Yeah well buddharhubarb left for a reason.

Malthus

Seems sensible to allow transgender folks. The only reason not to is prejudice on the part of others, which has never been a particularly good reason.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

The Brain

How did the ban come into being in the first place?
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Razgovory

Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
How did the ban come into being in the first place?

They have long had bans people with mental disorders.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

LaCroix

Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PMThey have long had bans people with mental disorders.

not if it doesn't affect performance. see dyslexia, etc. the ban on transgenders was like the ban on gays: prejudice

Razgovory

Quote from: LaCroix on June 30, 2016, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PMThey have long had bans people with mental disorders.

not if it doesn't affect performance. see dyslexia, etc. the ban on transgenders was like the ban on gays: prejudice

I didn't know you were there to when they made that decision.  I honestly don't know how hormone therapy works.  Is it an ongoing treatment?  If so that would affect performance.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017