Pentagon ends ban on transgender troops in military

Started by garbon, June 30, 2016, 03:29:32 PM

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PDH

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June 30, 2016, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
How did the ban come into being in the first place?

They have long had bans people with mental disorders.

I don't think the DSM classifies transgender as a mental disorder anymore.  Much like homosexuality, the societal influences impact the definitions of sickness.
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LaCroix

#16
June 30, 2016, 06:03:11 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 05:45:29 PMI honestly don't know how hormone therapy works.  Is it an ongoing treatment?  If so that would affect performance.

apparently not to the level where it necessitates prohibiting transgenders from military service  :yeah:

Razgovory

#17
June 30, 2016, 06:03:36 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 30, 2016, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
How did the ban come into being in the first place?

They have long had bans people with mental disorders.

I don't think the DSM classifies transgender as a mental disorder anymore.  Much like homosexuality, the societal influences impact the definitions of sickness.

If it's not a disorder, then you can't get insurance to pay for gender reassignment therapy.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

PDH

#18
June 30, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 06:03:36 PM

If it's not a disorder, then you can't get insurance to pay for gender reassignment therapy.

According to a quick google, the only time Aetna (for instance) pays is when the patient has "gender dysphoria" not all cases of identified transgenderism.  Transgender is not considered pathological in all cases, but only when it causes "distress" apparently.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

Razgovory

#19
June 30, 2016, 06:17:36 PM Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 06:29:03 PM by Razgovory
Quote from: PDH on June 30, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 06:03:36 PM

If it's not a disorder, then you can't get insurance to pay for gender reassignment therapy.

According to a quick google, the only time Aetna (for instance) pays is when the patient has "gender dysphoria" not all cases of identified transgenderism.  Transgender is not considered pathological in all cases, but only when it causes "distress" apparently.

That does make the whole thing rather absurd doesn't it.  People can't have the surgery unless they are "distressed" by not having it.  I suppose in a world where there is 100% love and encouragement toward people getting gender reassignment therapy, they can't actually get their insurance to pay for it.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

#20
June 30, 2016, 06:57:28 PM
It's ok now Siege.
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Ed Anger

#21
June 30, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
I don't really care anymore. America is doomed anyways.
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Valmy

#22
June 30, 2016, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 30, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
I don't really care anymore. America is doomed anyways.

America will be fine.
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Ed Anger

#23
June 30, 2016, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2016, 07:33:32 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 30, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
I don't really care anymore. America is doomed anyways.

America will be fine.

DOOMED

I blame you.
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CountDeMoney

#24
June 30, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Think of it this way, now servicemen don't have to sail all the way to the Philippines to fuck chicks with dicks.

Monoriu

#25
June 30, 2016, 08:26:36 PM
If I were a transgender person in the US, I'd want the ban to continue.  So that if in the future they reinstate conscription, I'd be exempt :showoff:

CountDeMoney

#26
June 30, 2016, 08:27:26 PM
If you were a transgender person in the US, I'd pay good money to watch Siegy hatefuck you.

Razgovory

#27
June 30, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 30, 2016, 08:26:36 PM
If I were a transgender person in the US, I'd want the ban to continue.  So that if in the future they reinstate conscription, I'd be exempt :showoff:

They have age limits as well.  Also by the time they got around to you, I'd be Mad Max outside.  Besides, it'd probably be a pay raise for you.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

#28
June 30, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 30, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Think of it this way, now servicemen don't have to sail all the way to the Philippines to fuck chicks with dicks.

I thought that was Thailand.
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11B4V

#29
June 30, 2016, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 30, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 30, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Think of it this way, now servicemen don't have to sail all the way to the Philippines to fuck chicks with dicks.

I thought that was Thailand.

Same same
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".
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