The Summer 2016 UK Political and Constitutional Crisis

[dps]

Interesting that the first anti-democratic forces on the march, so to speak, are from the Centre and Left.

Not a bit surprising to me.

Yes, because the Right is so often the bastion of democracy.

The modern Left and the modern Right both have authoritarian and anti-authoritarian elements.  The difference is that the authoritarian Right tends to be pretty up-front about it, while the authoritarian Left tends to pretend to care about freedom and individual rights.

[garbon]

Interesting that the first anti-democratic forces on the march, so to speak, are from the Centre and Left.

Not a bit surprising to me.

Yes, because the Right is so often the bastion of democracy.

The modern Left and the modern Right both have authoritarian and anti-authoritarian elements.  The difference is that the authoritarian Right tends to be pretty up-front about it, while the authoritarian Left tends to pretend to care about freedom and individual rights.

So meaningless drivel then unless you've evidence that the protesters were so called authoritarian Leftists.

[dps]

Interesting that the first anti-democratic forces on the march, so to speak, are from the Centre and Left.

Not a bit surprising to me.

Yes, because the Right is so often the bastion of democracy.

The modern Left and the modern Right both have authoritarian and anti-authoritarian elements.  The difference is that the authoritarian Right tends to be pretty up-front about it, while the authoritarian Left tends to pretend to care about freedom and individual rights.

So meaningless drivel then unless you've evidence that the protesters were so called authoritarian Leftists.

I wasn't claiming any great insight, just stating that anti-democratic attitudes on the Left don't surprise me.

[garbon]

Interesting that the first anti-democratic forces on the march, so to speak, are from the Centre and Left.

Not a bit surprising to me.

Yes, because the Right is so often the bastion of democracy.

The modern Left and the modern Right both have authoritarian and anti-authoritarian elements.  The difference is that the authoritarian Right tends to be pretty up-front about it, while the authoritarian Left tends to pretend to care about freedom and individual rights.

So meaningless drivel then unless you've evidence that the protesters were so called authoritarian Leftists.

I wasn't claiming any great insight, just stating that anti-democratic attitudes on the Left don't surprise me.

[crazy canuck]

Interesting that the first anti-democratic forces on the march, so to speak, are from the Centre and Left.

Not a bit surprising to me.

Yes, because the Right is so often the bastion of democracy.

The modern Left and the modern Right both have authoritarian and anti-authoritarian elements.  The difference is that the authoritarian Right tends to be pretty up-front about it, while the authoritarian Left tends to pretend to care about freedom and individual rights.

Sounds a lot like you see what you want to see

[Valmy]

Well maybe everybody could see authoritarians on the left or authoritarians on the right but authoritarians in the center? Moderate authoritarianism might be what we all need.

[Duque de Bragança]

I thought enlightened despots were all the rage.

[Sheilbh]

There's a legal challenge to the High Court to establish how we can activate Article 50.

[dps]

Well maybe everybody could see authoritarians on the left or authoritarians on the right but authoritarians in the center? Moderate authoritarianism might be what we all need.

Yeah, authoritarianism of both the Left and Right has been tried at various times and in various places, and found wanting;  but I'm not sure there's even been a Centrist authoritarian regime.

[celedhring]

Well, the kind of freedoms espoused by social-liberal thought makes it a bit hard to combine with authoritarianism. Any kind of "for the people, without the people" type of regime would have a hard time keeping itself in power without veering into despotism. 

There's a reason why liberal democracy is the least bad alternative. If uneducated idiots vote stupid stuff, we just need to work so there's less uneducated idiots.

[crazy canuck]

Well maybe everybody could see authoritarians on the left or authoritarians on the right but authoritarians in the center? Moderate authoritarianism might be what we all need.

Moderate authoritarian?  What does that mean?  Authoritarianism is antithetical to liberal democratic values. 

[Barrister]

So Nigel Farage resigns as well?

[Valmy]

Moderate authoritarian?  What does that mean?  Authoritarianism is antithetical to liberal democratic values. 

It means ignoring the referendum I guess.

[Duque de Bragança]

So Nigel Farage resigns as well?

Yes. Mission accomplished! Yet he keeps his European parliament member position. 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

So Nigel Farage resigns as well?

Yes. Mission accomplished! Yet he keeps his European parliament member position. 

you know how those eurocrats are...