Jesus' Wife?

[Valmy]

Then I suppose a Unitarian can be a Christian - but Unitarianism is not a Christian "religion". That's akin to arguing whether Freemasonry is Christian - some Freemasons are Christians, but the set of beliefs per se is not.

Why is it akin to claiming something that is not a religion is a religion? What a bizarre comparison.

[Valmy]

Then I suppose a Unitarian can be a Christian - but Unitarianism is not a Christian "religion". That's akin to arguing whether Freemasonry is Christian - some Freemasons are Christians, but the set of beliefs per se is not.

Yeah, I think that's a good analogy.

How? Is it also akin to claiming a chess club is Christian? How about a tap dancing class?

Unitarianism is a branch of Christianity. So claiming it is not Christian seems to me similar to claiming Shi'ites are not Muslims. Many Sunni do claim this BTW.

[Caliga]

Unitarianism is a branch of Christianity..

It isn't, though.  The guy who is a minister at the UU church I used to go to in Louisville once said it's a 'post-Christian' church.

[Martinus]

I do not claim to be an expert on Unitarianism but from what I hear from you guys, it seems to me that Unitarianism is less of a "religion" and more of a "spiritual organisation". The line is very fine (and law usually does not distinguish between the two) but to me Unitarianism is more similar to Confucianism or Free Masonry than it is to Islam or Christianity - it's more of a life philosophy than a set of metaphysical dogmas.

[Tamas]

By the way, Valmy, do Unitarians believe in Resurrection?

Mart, when asking the question "do Unitarians believe in", the answer is always going to be "maybe" or "some do and some don't".

Unitarianism is really not a religion in the conventional sense.  They have no creed and everyone is welcome no matter what they believe, even if they believe in nothing.  It's really a community of like-minded individuals, not a religion proper.

So they are the Openly Just Social Churchgoers religion, then?

[Martinus]

By the way, Valmy, do Unitarians believe in Resurrection?

Mart, when asking the question "do Unitarians believe in", the answer is always going to be "maybe" or "some do and some don't".

Unitarianism is really not a religion in the conventional sense.  They have no creed and everyone is welcome no matter what they believe, even if they believe in nothing.  It's really a community of like-minded individuals, not a religion proper.

So they are the Openly Just Social Churchgoers religion, then?

They are just people who like to meet, sing hymns and eat cake on Sundays, but can't be bothered with the whole "god" thing.

[Valmy]

By the way, Valmy, do Unitarians believe in Resurrection?

Mart, when asking the question "do Unitarians believe in", the answer is always going to be "maybe" or "some do and some don't".

Unitarianism is really not a religion in the conventional sense.  They have no creed and everyone is welcome no matter what they believe, even if they believe in nothing.  It's really a community of like-minded individuals, not a religion proper.

So they are the Openly Just Social Churchgoers religion, then?

He is talking about Unitarian Universalists. Which is rather defined by that 'Universalist' thing. But I do think they have a spiritual life. That is kind of the whole point. I mean I think even a significant amount of people who spend time in a religion that believes crazy shit are not really there because they love crazy shit. So why not remove the crazy shit?

I mean if the Jews have space for reconstructionist Judaism why shouldn't Christianity have space for something similar?

[Malthus]

By the way, Valmy, do Unitarians believe in Resurrection?

Mart, when asking the question "do Unitarians believe in", the answer is always going to be "maybe" or "some do and some don't".

Unitarianism is really not a religion in the conventional sense.  They have no creed and everyone is welcome no matter what they believe, even if they believe in nothing.  It's really a community of like-minded individuals, not a religion proper.

So they are the Openly Just Social Churchgoers religion, then?

Not a bad thing to be. 

Unitarians allegedly believe in the teachings of Jesus, as the exemplar of morality (which they interpret in a "liberal in the modern meaning of the term" sense). Seems to me that "Christianity" is a reasonable label for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

[alfred russel]

Guys, I don't know what we will decide regarding Valmy's christian status, but can we all agree now, that whatever we conclude, we will burn Valmy at the stake?

[Jacob]

Guys, I don't know what we will decide regarding Valmy's christian status, but can we all agree now, that whatever we conclude, we will burn Valmy at the stake?

There are a number of other languishites well ahead of Valmy in the line-up for immolation.

[celedhring]

As the on-call Spaniard in Languish, I call dibs on the burning of heretics.

[Malthus]

As the on-call Spaniard in Languish, I call dibs on the burning of heretics.

No-one expected that.

[Valmy]

Guys, I don't know what we will decide regarding Valmy's christian status, but can we all agree now, that whatever we conclude, we will burn Valmy at the stake?

There are a number of other languishites well ahead of Valmy in the line-up for immolation.

Awwwww what a sweet thing to say

[Caliga]

He is talking about Unitarian Universalists. Which is rather defined by that 'Universalist' thing.

That's not what the 'Universalist' part of the UUA name means.  The 'Unitarian Universalist' name is one with historical origins that represents the merger of two different New England churches with very liberal beliefs which IIRC happened in the 1920s/30s.

The Unitarians rejected the Trinity and if I recall correctly, by extension the divinity of Jesus.

The Universalists rejected the concept of Hell.  Everyone was 'saved' and reconciled with God in the afterlife, regardless of any sins committed in life, willingness to repent, etc.

[Valmy]

He is talking about Unitarian Universalists. Which is rather defined by that 'Universalist' thing.

That's not what the 'Universalist' part of the UUA name means.  The 'Unitarian Universalist' name is one with historical origins that represents the merger of two different New England churches with very liberal beliefs which IIRC happened in the 1920s/30s.

The Unitarians rejected the Trinity and if I recall correctly, by extension the divinity of Jesus.

The Universalists rejected the concept of Hell.  Everyone was 'saved' and reconciled with God in the afterlife, regardless of any sins committed in life, willingness to repent, etc.

Ah. Thank you. You can understand how there are certain qualities of the UU church that led me astray on that. Not that I don't think UU is cool and all.