Green Energy Revolution Megathread

[Maladict]

Wouldn't the Baltic coast be the best place to site windpower in any case?

Enough with the Lebensraum jokes, Mal and Min.

[Maladict]

If only you guys had a couple of chains of low-lying islands in shallow seas, on which and around you could build some wind turbines.   

The area around these islands, the Wadden Sea, is a nature world heritage site and protected, so the wind power plants are much further offshore.

The nimby's would be out in force against anything visible from shore anyway.

[Valmy]

Elektrizität? Nein Danke! 

Pay Russians for Natural Gas seems to be what they want.

[The Larch]

Elektrizität? Nein Danke! 

Is that linked to a particular campaign on some local project or in general just because? Anti wind energy campaigners are something I just can't wrap my head around, I can understand being opposed to a particular project in some delicate location or whatever, but opposition to wind energy in general is idiotic.

[The Larch]

Btw, Portugal will soon start operationg (or maybe they have already started) a floating offshore wind farm, first one don't know if in Europe or the world, with turbines not fixed to the sea floor. If the experience with that technology is good and it proves cost-effective it could open up plenty of new locations for offshore wind farms.

[Syt]

Is that linked to a particular campaign on some local project or in general just because? Anti wind energy campaigners are something I just can't wrap my head around, I can understand being opposed to a particular project in some delicate location or whatever, but opposition to wind energy in general is idiotic.

It's the same luddite NIMBYism that killed projects like the Transrapid.

[The Larch]

Is that linked to a particular campaign on some local project or in general just because? Anti wind energy campaigners are something I just can't wrap my head around, I can understand being opposed to a particular project in some delicate location or whatever, but opposition to wind energy in general is idiotic.

It's the same luddite NIMBYism that killed projects like the Transrapid.

Transrapid? What's that?

[Zanza]

Is that linked to a particular campaign on some local project or in general just because? Anti wind energy campaigners are something I just can't wrap my head around, I can understand being opposed to a particular project in some delicate location or whatever, but opposition to wind energy in general is idiotic.

No idea. It says 'our forest' (unserem Wald), so maybe, as other suggested, they are only opposed to wind power in their own vincinity.

[Syt]

Is that linked to a particular campaign on some local project or in general just because? Anti wind energy campaigners are something I just can't wrap my head around, I can understand being opposed to a particular project in some delicate location or whatever, but opposition to wind energy in general is idiotic.

It's the same luddite NIMBYism that killed projects like the Transrapid.

Transrapid? What's that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid

[The Larch]

What was the NIMBYism in play for Transrapid? A cursory look at the wiki article doesn't say anything about that.

[Maladict]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid

I thought the accident basically killed it.

[jimmy olsen]

That's an incredible projection

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/energy/iea-renewable-energy-turning-point/index.html

LondonCNN Business —

...In a report published Tuesday, the International Energy Agency forecast a sharp acceleration in installations of renewable power. It now expects green energy to overtake coal to become the largest global source of electricity by early 2025

Global renewable power capacity is now expected to grow by 2,400 gigawatts (GW) between 2022 and 2027, an amount equal to the entire power generating capacity of China today, according to the report. The increase is 30% higher than the Paris-based agency's forecast of just a year ago.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

that's gonna mean a lot of gas burning as a backup.
not that end consumer will notice a drop in prices anyway.

[Sheilbh]

Sort of relevant - but I thought this thread was interesting on the way that European countries almost all vastly undertax oil and gas while overtaxing electricity in relation to their externalities:
https://twitter.com/janrosenow/status/1602219669791784961?s=20&t=O6ZlW_shoESiudQiVhF0kA

For example, "The UK undertaxes gas and gas oil by 96% and 73% respectively, while overtaxing electricity by 140% excluding the  UK ETS and 212% including the UK ETS.":


Apparently there's four main models doing the rounds in Europe as potential solutions:


As ever, key that two of them need extra work to protect people on low incomes.

[jimmy olsen]

that's gonna mean a lot of gas burning as a backup.
not that end consumer will notice a drop in prices anyway.

New car sales in China and the five largest EU countries are over 25% EV and are increasing year over year.

Oil prices are going going to crater over the next decade as demand drops through the floor.