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Started by Zanza, April 03, 2016, 03:00:22 PM

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Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2016, 02:18:18 AM
But it is getting more and more unavoidable

Why? Last I checked I can still post anonymously all over the place :hmm:

Quotesoon you will be like those weirdos in Oregon who refuse to get a driver's license or a social security number because this makes it easier for black helicopters to track them down.

Why? I don't see all these screws tightening requiring me to jump on any slippery slopes.

QuoteAt the same time (and this is something I predicted few years ago already), the backlash against using online information against people is already happening. Consumers are rebelling against media engaging in online witch-hunts, and companies are also realising that, as people become more and more de-sensitivised (?) to stuff other people post on Facebook (and at the same time we are getting to a point where only Mormons and weirdos do not have some sort of embarrassing online past), refusing to hire people because of what they had posted online simply cuts them off from a valuable human resource.

In other words, we are approaching a critical mass where what you post online will not matter again.

Is there something in particular you just need me to post on facebook? Because I do not really agree with this.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2016, 11:35:14 AM
I say 'Happy Birthday' and 'Wow your kid is cute' on Facebook.
Fucking weirdo.   :glare:


:P
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Valmy

Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2016, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2016, 11:35:14 AM
I say 'Happy Birthday' and 'Wow your kid is cute' on Facebook.
Fucking weirdo.   :glare:


:P

Happy birthday Viper! Your young relations sure are cute.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2016, 05:43:07 AM
Why? Last I checked I can still post anonymously all over the place :hmm:
Not really.  You IP adress is known to Languish administrators and they can be compelled to reveal it.  In the US, the threat is not so big.  They would only do it if you commit a criminal act (say, posting juvenile porn), even under Trump that would not change much ;)

Now, if the forum is in Russia, and as a Russian citizen you criticize Putin, you may get into trouble.  Make it Syria now, a few years ago, calling Assad a murderer could have seen your village razed to the ground.

Aside these extreme cases, there is the matter of marketing, for every place you visit, how long you stay there, etc.  Languish has no ads, but in many sites they use ads with geolocalization, plus, if you don't delete them everyday, tracing cookies that track your online behavior to reveal it to marketers and other corporations.  They may not know you are Valmy of Texas, but they will know your IP has visited a ski shopping site and spent a full 3 hours dreaming about the snowy mountains of Quebec, so they'll send you targetted advertisement for a trip to Quebec city during winter.  And then, when you make such trip, they sell that info to other marketers wich builds another online profile to deliver even more targetted ads.  Oh?  See there!  Every Sunday, he spends 2hrs at his local Wal-Mart in the electrical tools area.  Let's send him ads for this.

next you write another post in your blog and you criticize Target for not offering sufficient product choices.  Then they sell your name to porn companies that spam you at work ;)

Ok, too far fetched here :P

But you get the idea :)

Unless you use networks such as Tor or Freenet, is practically non existent.  While they are formidable tools for people living in truly oppressive regime, the drawback is that it's filled with pedo porn, drug dealers, anarchists, conspirationists and killers for hire.  The kind of people that also require anonymity.


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In other words, we are approaching a critical mass where what you post online will not matter again.
Have to disagree on that.  It will always matter to someone.  Right now, some more traditional medias are having a field day about what some young political candidates may post on Facebook.  Silly jokes teens are doing, like answering a silly quizz about the 3 things you bring on a desert island.  "Oh!  She said she'd bring a vibrator!  She's unfit for political duty!".

Stuff like that, eventually, won't matter.

But your political opinions will.  And expressing political opinions, unless they are extreme, should be a right in this society, not a priviledge.  I don't hide my political toughts on FB, but I understand people who do.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Valmy

Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
Not really.  You IP adress is known to Languish administrators and they can be compelled to reveal it.  In the US, the threat is not so big.  They would only do it if you commit a criminal act (say, posting juvenile porn), even under Trump that would not change much ;)

Well yeah. But that is different. I am talking about just casually cyber stalking me.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on April 06, 2016, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
Not really.  You IP adress is known to Languish administrators and they can be compelled to reveal it.  In the US, the threat is not so big.  They would only do it if you commit a criminal act (say, posting juvenile porn), even under Trump that would not change much ;)

Well yeah. But that is different. I am talking about just casually cyber stalking me.
depends where you post, depends on your situation.  Generally speaking, you're safe.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Maladict

The EUFA office was raided over the Panama papers. FIFA's new president may be implicated  :D

Martinus

Quote from: Maladict on April 06, 2016, 01:47:38 PM
The EUFA office was raided over the Panama papers. FIFA's new president may be implicated  :D

These guys just can't get a break.

HVC

Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2016, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: Maladict on April 06, 2016, 01:47:38 PM
The EUFA office was raided over the Panama papers. FIFA's new president may be implicated  :D

These guys just can't get a break.
you'd think that after all these years of practice they'd be better at being corrupt.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

mongers

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Monoriu

I am very happy to note that Hong Kong is more involved in the operations revealed in the Panama papers than Switzerland.  There is hope afterall, because we are useful  :cool:

MadImmortalMan

An awful lot of the real estate purchases on the west coast come out of HK bank loans. Probably mostly collateralized in full in RMB.
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What is this shit about fedoras? Accessory of choice to Indiana Jones and Bogey, that's pretty much unimpeachable.
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Monoriu

#193
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 08, 2016, 12:46:26 AM
An awful lot of the real estate purchases on the west coast come out of HK bank loans. Probably mostly collateralized in full in RMB.

I have been offered the opportunity to buy these loans for an absurdly high 3% yield :ph34r:

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