Muslims kill more Christians, this time in Pakistan

[LaCroix]

I think for the purposes of my point, whether it is 75% or 99% is really rather immaterial.

The relevant point is that comparing total attacks to total number of Muslims is completely misleading.

I think it's very material given your argument. if nearly all terrorist attacks were actually conducted by muslims, that would be really interesting and merit some serious investigation into why. as it stands, the numbers simply show the top performers of terrorist attacks happen to be those with the most access to resources/manpower. what a surprise

[Eddie Teach]

I think for the purposes of my point, whether it is 75% or 99% is really rather immaterial.

The relevant point is that comparing total attacks to total number of Muslims is completely misleading.

I think it's very material given your argument. if nearly all terrorist attacks were actually conducted by muslims, that would be really interesting and merit some serious investigation into why. as it stands, the numbers simply show the top performers of terrorist attacks happen to be those with the most access to resources/manpower. what a surprise

So let me get this straight. It's ok if Muslim groups commit more attacks since they only do that because they have more access to manpower(people willing to commit them)?

[LaCroix]

So let me get this straight. It's ok if Muslim groups commit more attacks since they only do that because they have more access to manpower(people willing to commit them)?

isn't the argument focused on islam as a religion and how allegedly violent it is by its very nature? so, take a look at other religions and the parts of the world where those religions operate and the motive or lack of motive to commit terrorist acts. to use mormonism as an analogy, utah and wyoming aren't fucked up like the muslim world. as well, no other major religion is as "besieged" (potentially perceived by some members) as islam

[Eddie Teach]

Have to disagree with that. Islamists rule their countries while Christians are seeing theirs become increasingly secular.

[Martinus]

I find it a bit funny, too, that the regressive left seems to be perfectly fine with calling a guy with his dick cut off a woman, but draw a line at calling a group that describe itself as Muslims Muslim.

Grallon is gay.
Grallon is attracted to teenage boys.
All gays are attracted to teenage boys, wether they admit it or not.

Got it, thanks for the clarification!

Therefore, we should prehemptively jail all gay men.  That would drasctically reduce the demand for juvenile prostitutes and reduce the number of pedophiles in liberty.  Since it's about protecting our society, our values, you will agree with me, right?  We can't take any chances.

Wow, that's a non-sequitur if I have ever seen one. Did you just choose my post at random to write that or did it sound in your head like there is some sort of link between what I wrote and what you wrote?

Edit: I gotta admire, though, how, after all those years, you still hate grallon with passion strong enough to libel him as a pedophile.

[The Brain]

Determining to which extent Islam is a factor when it comes to terrorism seems to be pretty simple. If you look at different groups, you should be able to tell if Islam can be identified as a factor. I'd be very surprised if it can't be, by the Swedish experience.

I don't give a flying fuck if Islam is a factor "by its very nature" or not. Maybe it was Mother fucking Teresa before and will be again, but reality exists in the now.

[Berkut]

Viper, your entire response to my point that you can't just trot out particular examples of non-Muslim extremism to counter systemic Islamic extremism is to...trot out more specific examples of non-Islamic extremism without even trying to show that those examples are systemic.

As such, your argument is completely non-responsive.

[Berkut]

So let me get this straight. It's ok if Muslim groups commit more attacks since they only do that because they have more access to manpower(people willing to commit them)?

isn't the argument focused on islam as a religion and how allegedly violent it is by its very nature? so, take a look at other religions and the parts of the world where those religions operate and the motive or lack of motive to commit terrorist acts. to use mormonism as an analogy, utah and wyoming aren't fucked up like the muslim world. as well, no other major religion is as "besieged" (potentially perceived by some members) as islam

When we look at parts of the world where there is not the struggle we see in the Middle East, we still see alarming levels of support for things like the death sentence for apostasy, making homosexuality a capital crime, the desire to make Sharia the law of the land, etc., etc.

Indonesia, for example. Even Britain.

I am confident that if you take a poll of Mormons, very, very few of them would support imposing the death sentence on non-Mormons, if they could. In fact, I would venture to say that the number would effectively be zero.

And no other religion is as "besieged" as Islam? Are you fucking kidding me? It is the second largest religion in the world, and growing faster than any other major religion.

While many people who practice it might buy into the *perception* that it is besieged, that is just a perception, and does not even remotely justify butchering people by the thousands.

[Valmy]

Man it is like the constant and annoying persecution complex of some Christians. Gays can get married? MAH FREEDOM.

[Berkut]

I think for the purposes of my point, whether it is 75% or 99% is really rather immaterial.

The relevant point is that comparing total attacks to total number of Muslims is completely misleading.

I think it's very material given your argument. if nearly all terrorist attacks were actually conducted by muslims, that would be really interesting and merit some serious investigation into why. as it stands, the numbers simply show the top performers of terrorist attacks happen to be those with the most access to resources/manpower. what a surprise

This really makes further discussion pretty pointless. If you are so dedicated to excusing the 800lb gorilla sitting on your head, I don't know what to say anymore.

Nearly all terrorist attacks are committed by Islamists. For the purposes of MY point, which is that saying this doesn't matter because there are many Muslims who do not commit terrorist acts is idiotic, it makes no difference whether or not "nearly all" means "that vast, vast majority" or "all but a very, very few".

If you cannot see that, then I am confident that if the actual number was 99.99%, you would just find some other reason than this semantic nonsense to dismiss it, because you've dismissed it as a matter of faith in any case.

[Jaron]

Mormons believe in the unification of all peoples, but never by violence or force.

[Berkut]

Mormons believe in the unification of all peoples, but never by violence or force.

Indeed. In fact, the idea of killing someone in an effort to spread the religion just doesn't make any sense from the standpoint of what they actually believe - it would be counter-productive.

What religions actually believe to be true does in fact matter to the rest of us. They are not all the same.

And even what particular different groups within religions believes matter - a lot. Which is why we should be aggressively supporting those in Islam who believe in a modern, democratic version of Islam. What *they* believe matters as well.

It is ridiculous this entire "Well, all religions are the same and have people who do radical things!".

For the most part, it simply is not true. And to the extent that it IS true - so what? It doesn't mean we should not worry about it, we should worry about all of it at the appropriate level.

Some Mormon sec somewhere forces some 15 year old girl to marry someone she doesn't want to because they believe that God wants that? That is a problem, and needs to be addressed, and understanding that the reason they believe that is based on their understanding of their faith is critical to addressing that problem systemically.

Noting that it happens in other places as well, and of course it does, is inane. Yes, it does happen in other places as well, and if you want to address the problem in those other places, you would be well served to understand why THEY believe that it is a good idea as well, whether that be based on their faith or some other factor.

[Malthus]

These things go in odd cycles.

Last century, first half, I'd have said that the cause of most of the world's problems was European ethnic nationalism; most of the second half, the apparently unstoppable spread of various flavors of communism. Muslim extremism would have barely registered as a footnote in the first half, but has grown increasingly prominent in the second half, and now seems to dominate the discourse. 

If anyone in 1900 had said that in the future the most violent international problem would be militant Islam, they'd have been laughed at. 

[Berkut]

These things go in odd cycles.

Last century, first half, I'd have said that the cause of most of the world's problems was European ethnic nationalism; most of the second half, the apparently unstoppable spread of various flavors of communism. Muslim extremism would have barely registered as a footnote in the first half, but has grown increasingly prominent in the second half, and now seems to dominate the discourse. 

If anyone in 1900 had said that in the future the most violent international problem would be militant Islam, they'd have been laughed at. 

You have to wonder what is going to be next...radical anime extremists?

That actually sounds a lot more plausible than I thought when I typed it...

[Malthus]

These things go in odd cycles.

Last century, first half, I'd have said that the cause of most of the world's problems was European ethnic nationalism; most of the second half, the apparently unstoppable spread of various flavors of communism. Muslim extremism would have barely registered as a footnote in the first half, but has grown increasingly prominent in the second half, and now seems to dominate the discourse. 

If anyone in 1900 had said that in the future the most violent international problem would be militant Islam, they'd have been laughed at. 

You have to wonder what is going to be next...radical anime extremists?

That actually sounds a lot more plausible than I thought when I typed it...

I always thought one day the FBI would investigate the lot of us for participating in this board - I just never thought it would be for being known associates of Lettow and Mono, international terrorist leaders!