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Large Scale Battle In BCE 1250 Germany

Started by Jacob, March 24, 2016, 05:39:56 PM

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Phillip V

Should we rather imagine prehistoric warriors as looking the size and development of adolescent boys rather than these old bearded muscular men that illustrations and other media like to show us?


Jacob

Quote from: Phillip V on March 24, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
Should we rather imagine prehistoric warriors as looking the size and development of adolescent boys rather than these old bearded muscular men that illustrations and other media like to show us?

Maybe... what's your reason?

Phillip V

Quote from: Jacob on March 24, 2016, 06:00:39 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 24, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
Should we rather imagine prehistoric warriors as looking the size and development of adolescent boys rather than these old bearded muscular men that illustrations and other media like to show us?

Maybe... what's your reason?

Empathy.

jimmy olsen

Not surprised there was this kind of unrest in the north around this time. Just as the huns pushed the germans west 1700 years later, climate changed likely caused cascading migrations and violent upheaval that lead to the Sea People's invasion of the Near East.
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Grinning_Colossus

I remember looking at the bog bodies from early-CE Germany when they were in LA. Even non-curled up and desiccated, most of them couldn't have been taller than 1.6 m.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Phillip V on March 24, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
Should we rather imagine prehistoric warriors as looking the size and development of adolescent boys rather than these old bearded muscular men that illustrations and other media like to show us?

You mean there's a possibility that they really weren't members of Amon Amarth straight from the opening scenes of Conan the Barbarian?

MadImmortalMan

A lot was going on around then. The great bronze age collapse and all that.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Phillip V on March 24, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
Should we rather imagine prehistoric warriors as looking the size and development of adolescent boys rather than these old bearded muscular men that illustrations and other media like to show us?


If you read the whole article the men are mostly between 20 and 30 years old and 27% have healed serious wounds indicating these are veteran soldiers not boys.
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Razgovory

So much for the peaceful, proto-socialist, Pre-Indo-European matriarchy.
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dps

Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 24, 2016, 07:45:04 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 24, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
Should we rather imagine prehistoric warriors as looking the size and development of adolescent boys rather than these old bearded muscular men that illustrations and other media like to show us?


If you read the whole article the men are mostly between 20 and 30 years old and 27% have healed serious wounds indicating these are veteran soldiers not boys.

First of all, his point/question wasn't that they were boys instead of full-grown men, but rather that full-grown men of the time had roughly the same physical stature as adolescent boys of today.  And second, in those days, you didn't have to be a soldier to get serious injuries--it's likely that a great many people often suffered serious or even fatal injuries just in the everyday course of trying to get enough food to survive as a hunter/gatherer.

jimmy olsen

The article says they were farmers and the healed wounds looked like they were intentionally inflicted.
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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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alfred russel

Quote from: Razgovory on March 24, 2016, 08:37:13 PM
So much for the peaceful, proto-socialist, Pre-Indo-European matriarchy.

Raz, BCE 1250 was well after the indo european migrations began.
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PDH

Quote from: dps on March 24, 2016, 09:03:25 PM
And second, in those days, you didn't have to be a soldier to get serious injuries--it's likely that a great many people often suffered serious or even fatal injuries just in the everyday course of trying to get enough food to survive as a hunter/gatherer.

By 1250 BCE farming and animal husbandry (not THAT kind, Brain) was the norm, not foraging.  The Beaker people were farmers centuries before 1250 BCE.
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