Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[PJL]

I think British politics is like quantum mechanics at the moment, completely baffling.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I think British politics is like quantum mechanics at the moment, completely baffling.

Let us hope that Larry the cat survives.

[Sheilbh]

I think British politics is like quantum mechanics at the moment, completely baffling.

Let us hope that Larry the cat survives.

Last seen in a stand-off with Palmerston, the FCO cat:

Will the coups never end?

[Richard Hakluyt]

The Labour cats are squabbling over a fish head in Clacton.

[Sheilbh]

John McDonnell, shadow Chancellor, at a pro-Corbyn rally in Kentish Town (thank God Labour are finally trying to win Kentish Town!) tonight on his colleagues: 'they're plotting and they're conniving. Only good thing is, as plotters they're fucking useless.'

Sadly true though.

Meanwhile the Socialist Party (Militant Tendency as it once was) is launching pro-Corbyn rallies too.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

again, why isn't corbyn behind bars for treason?

Because people who understand democracy, recognise it's tolerance of dissent marks it out from tyranny.

there's dissent and actively taking the side of the enemy. From what I've seen of Corby he falls in the second category.

[garbon]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasminnahar/if-the-media-wrote-about-theresa-mays-husband-the-way-they-w?utm_term=.cmkgZx4qG#.hj5Ky4Ale

If The Media Wrote About Theresa May's Husband The Way They Write About Samantha Cameron

2. And when he makes some ~adventurous~ wardrobe choices.


3. They would applaud him for bringing trousers to the forefront of fashion.


10. Maybe he'll no longer talk, but instead nag.


11. And maybe they'll just wax lyrical about his trendsetting ways but remind you he's so much more than a sharp suit.


A man who can dress himself and has a job? Where do I sign up?

Meanwhile from the Guardian...

If today were ... a pair of shoes
Then a strong candidate would be a pair of the new prime minister's trademark leopardskin numbers:


The shoes of Britain's Theresa May as she speaks outside parliament. Photograph: Max Nash/AP

[Sheilbh]

Perhaps proving how fucking useless they are Owen Smith, Welsh, soft left is now running foe the Labour leadership too. My guess is this probably just splits the anti-Corbyn vote.

On the other hand I think he has a better chance of winning than Eagle.

[Richard Hakluyt]

I didn't know who Owen Smith was till this morning.

[Gups]

Perhaps proving how fucking useless they are Owen Smith, Welsh, soft left is now running foe the Labour leadership too. My guess is this probably just splits the anti-Corbyn vote.

On the other hand I think he has a better chance of winning than Eagle.

Why does it matter if the anti-Jez vote is split? The system is AV

[Tamas]

So, if we accept that Labour's mission is to work toward Socialism, as defined before its supporters had to meet reality, then let's face it: Corbyn IS the real Labour party, and the real issues isn't that Corbyn has turned away from the main mass of Labour voters, but rather, that latter has turned away from the Labour party, due to not being that hott on True Socialism anymore.

[Sheilbh]

True enough.

Same RH. Apparently he's been on the front bench for two years longer than Cameron had in 2005 though

[Sheilbh]

So, if we accept that Labour's mission is to work toward Socialism, as defined before its supporters had to meet reality, then let's face it: Corbyn IS the real Labour party, and the real issues isn't that Corbyn has turned away from the main mass of Labour voters, but rather, that latter has turned away from the Labour party, due to not being that hott on True Socialism anymore.

But that's not true. Corbyn's politics bear no resemblance to any previous Labour leader ever. So what you say is only true if you accept as correct the hard left view that all Labour leaders and governments have betrayed the 'movent' through the compromise of their Parliamentary road to socialism.

Edit: Of course that compromise is implicit in accepting a Parliamentary, non-revolutionary route. It's in the party's DNA,  not least because it was the creation of the union moment. Unlike European socialist and social democratic parties it's more or less always been about winning power and ameliorating things, because that's what the unions wanted not a debate about the Third International.

[Tamas]

So, if we accept that Labour's mission is to work toward Socialism, as defined before its supporters had to meet reality, then let's face it: Corbyn IS the real Labour party, and the real issues isn't that Corbyn has turned away from the main mass of Labour voters, but rather, that latter has turned away from the Labour party, due to not being that hott on True Socialism anymore.

But that's not true. Corbyn's politics bear no resemblance to any previous Labour leader ever. So what you say is only true if you accept as correct the hard left view that all Labour leaders and governments have betrayed the 'movent' through the compromise of their Parliamentary road to socialism.

Good point.

But do you really think a Labour Party really earnestly and openly going for socialism-socialism, not some market economy compromise (in a parliamentary way) would ever be able to form a government anymore? If the answer is no, isn't the militant view Corbyn and his Corbynjugend the only way to reach the workers' paradise?

[mongers]

True enough.

Same RH. Apparently he's been on the front bench for two years longer than Cameron had in 2005 though

I've seen a few opinions/speeches by him in recent years and he seems be a thoughtful, moderate, non-blairite MP. So much better the Eagle, who really does struggle with any questioning.