Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Agelastus

Quote from: Tyr on May 21, 2016, 01:19:17 PM
I'm not too worried about a future referendum, leave is fighting a losing battle where their case becomes weaker as time goes on. If we somehow slip out in this one though...then that's my life screwed up, 2008 here we come again.

Personally I think that if we'd given the EU another five years it would have been a much better time for the Leave camp to have a referendum; we're nearly due for yet another round of Treaty Talks even ignoring all the current issues that have just been shoved off to one side in the hope people'll forget about them for a while (such as the Greek debt renegotiation that actually seems to have begun, finally.)

Quote from: Tyr on May 21, 2016, 01:19:17 PMCome on, you're smarter than to repeat that typical UKIP lie. The causes of the housing crisis are nothing to do with EU migration. Even looking at migration as a whole they merely exasperate a problem caused by other means.

Come on yourself! :D

"Exasperating" a problem, using your words, means they're a part of the problem; don't weasel. If 50,0000 come in when 50,000 are planned for how can they not be part of the problem. Just not the main part which can be placed squarely at the door of all Parties over the last forty years (I doubt there's very many Liberal Democrat controlled authorities, let alone Tory or Labour, who've built all the social housing they could have done over that period - heck, back in the Eighties they didn't spend the money that Thatcher actually did say they could, inadequate as even I admit that was.)

The percentages I gave were only demonstrative - would you have preferred I used 90%/10% instead?
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Aww Mensa is looking all stupid.
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Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 21, 2016, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: Tamas on May 21, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
I think it is pretty close to 50%.

The pro side is doing a horrible job, operating only with negativity. The positives and energy is all on the brexit side, which is somewhat understandable but still silly.

Odd thing that the pro-camp didn't come out with the argument that staying in would annoy the French, and spite the ghost of DeGaulle. :p

Hush you!   :frog:

mongers

I need to do something about this.  :hmm:
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Capetan Mihali

Hmm, I never knew anybody felt that Obama disliked the UK and/or its leaders.  Though I guess Bush and Blair did pal around quite a bit and seemed to have a natural rapport.
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AnchorClanker

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 21, 2016, 04:52:05 PM
Hmm, I never knew anybody felt that Obama disliked the UK and/or its leaders.  Though I guess Bush and Blair did pal around quite a bit and seemed to have a natural rapport.

POTUS made it very clear early on that the UK and Europe were less important to him than the Asia-Pacific region.  Europeans took note of that.  He has no real attachment to the 'Special Relationship'
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 21, 2016, 04:52:05 PM
Hmm, I never knew anybody felt that Obama disliked the UK and/or its leaders.  Though I guess Bush and Blair did pal around quite a bit and seemed to have a natural rapport.

It dominated the news cycle when Obama first visited the UK and gave the queen a pack of Tic-Tacs as an official state gift.

Capetan Mihali

Ah, right, I do remember some discussion of it back 7 years ago, but not much since then. 

And Mentos, the Freshmaker, would have been a much more appropriate state gift.
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Admiral Yi

I thought Teh Freshmaker was a eurobrand.  Hardly an appropriate gift for a US head of state.

AnchorClanker

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 21, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
I thought Teh Freshmaker was a eurobrand.  Hardly an appropriate gift for a US head of state.

That might have been his point... at least that's what I thought when I read his post.
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Valmy

Quote from: Tamas on May 21, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
I think it is pretty close to 50%.

The pro side is doing a horrible job, operating only with negativity. The positives and energy is all on the brexit side, which is somewhat understandable but still silly.

It is hard for the status quo to promise 10,000 Unicorns when they win since every already knows how the status quo will go. So all they can do is promise DOOM when the anti-status quo wins. Asking people to be grateful for what they have is rarely a good selling point.
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Capetan Mihali

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 21, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
I thought Teh Freshmaker was a eurobrand.  Hardly an appropriate gift for a US head of state.

Really?  Mentos aren't American? :Embarrass:

Strike that and replace with Altoids instead, OK?
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-- Prince, 2010. (R.I.P.)

Admiral Yi

QuoteMentos is a brand of prepackaged scotch mints sold in stores and vending machines. First produced in the Netherlands in 1948, it is currently sold in more than 130 countries worldwide by the Perfetti Van Melle corporation.[1]

Capetan Mihali

:weep:  "The Freshmaker" is just such a Madison Avenuesque, American-sounding catchphrase (not to mention the series of very memorable TV ads for Mentos), I was mislead.
"The internet's completely over. [...] The internet's like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."
-- Prince, 2010. (R.I.P.)

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on May 21, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
:weep:  "The Freshmaker" is just such a Madison Avenuesque, American-sounding catchphrase (not to mention the series of very memorable TV ads for Mentos), I was mislead.

Really?  "The Freshmaker?"  I always thought they were laughable I no speak English so good.  And the kids flitting around on their Vespas with sweaters around their necks, and burly construction workers picking up 300 pound minicars could only have been shot in Europe.