Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Zanza

The idea that Britain should be punished over its people voting to leave in a democratic referendum is silly.

If Britain leaves, we should offer them full EEA membership (maybe including fisheries). Of course that would entail the four freedoms, so Britain would still have to accept the free movement of workers. We should definitely not compromise our values there.

Razgovory

The ability to unilaterally leave the EU seems a fundamental flaw, since a country can essentially hold the system hostage if they don't get what they want.
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Tamas

Quote from: Zanza on February 27, 2016, 03:22:22 AM
The idea that Britain should be punished over its people voting to leave in a democratic referendum is silly.

If Britain leaves, we should offer them full EEA membership (maybe including fisheries). Of course that would entail the four freedoms, so Britain would still have to accept the free movement of workers. We should definitely not compromise our values there.

Good bye Greece, Spain, Portugal, maybe Italy too, then. And the East Euros as well once they have depleted the EU funds.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on February 27, 2016, 02:37:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 26, 2016, 07:07:43 PM
As with the Greek crisis, the EU would be foolish to let the Brits get off easily - even if it wasn't in the EU's best interest, economically, the Brits, like the Greeks, would need to be made an example of - otherwise a number of other countries may think about asking for similar treatment.

Yes, a severe beating would be appropriate, or at least a horse's head placed in Britannia's bed.

Nah, dead fox head to celebrate the "imposed" end of fox hunting in Britain.  :smarty:

Martinus

Zanza has a habit of being fundamentally wrong on every single issue pertaining to the EU.

Crazy_Ivan80

The Brits should stay to prevent the EU from taking a more French direction of doing things.
Or just to spite the French.
Which is basically the same thing

Zanza

Quote from: Razgovory on February 27, 2016, 07:31:35 AM
The ability to unilaterally leave the EU seems a fundamental flaw, since a country can essentially hold the system hostage if they don't get what they want.
Not really. There are some decisions that need to be met unilaterally, but there is precedent to countries acting even if there was a single voice against, e.g. Cameron's lone veto in 2011.

The Larch

Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2016, 07:46:12 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 27, 2016, 03:22:22 AM
The idea that Britain should be punished over its people voting to leave in a democratic referendum is silly.

If Britain leaves, we should offer them full EEA membership (maybe including fisheries). Of course that would entail the four freedoms, so Britain would still have to accept the free movement of workers. We should definitely not compromise our values there.

Good bye Greece, Spain, Portugal, maybe Italy too, then. And the East Euros as well once they have depleted the EU funds.

What?

Zanza

Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2016, 07:46:12 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 27, 2016, 03:22:22 AM
The idea that Britain should be punished over its people voting to leave in a democratic referendum is silly.

If Britain leaves, we should offer them full EEA membership (maybe including fisheries). Of course that would entail the four freedoms, so Britain would still have to accept the free movement of workers. We should definitely not compromise our values there.

Good bye Greece, Spain, Portugal, maybe Italy too, then.
What makes you think they would leave and prefer EEA membership over EU membership?
And Greece of all countries? :huh: They accepted troika rule instead of even leaving the Euro, which clearly hurts them.
And Portugal had that deal until 1986 when they joined the EU.

QuoteAnd the East Euros as well once they have depleted the EU funds.
:hmm: That might be a good idea. If we can get rid of Orban and Kaczynski that way, we should go for it. They can then do their Eastern Europe thing in their countries and we wouldn't have to pretend to care anymore.

Crazy_Ivan80

isn't poland on track to becoming a net-payer around 2020?

and with Draghi creating money out of thin air, how can it ever run out...

Valmy

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on February 27, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
The Brits should stay to prevent the EU from taking a more French direction of doing things.
Or just to spite the French.
Which is basically the same thing

Huh. I thought the EU was supposed to be Germany's Evil Empire(tm)?
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celedhring

Quote from: The Larch on February 27, 2016, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 27, 2016, 07:46:12 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 27, 2016, 03:22:22 AM
The idea that Britain should be punished over its people voting to leave in a democratic referendum is silly.

If Britain leaves, we should offer them full EEA membership (maybe including fisheries). Of course that would entail the four freedoms, so Britain would still have to accept the free movement of workers. We should definitely not compromise our values there.

Good bye Greece, Spain, Portugal, maybe Italy too, then. And the East Euros as well once they have depleted the EU funds.

What?

Yeah, we are net payers to begin with...

katmai

Quote from: Iormlund on February 26, 2016, 01:33:35 PM
Do the Brits really think that all it takes to stop immigration is to leave the EU?

Are Hungarian programmers that bad? Polish plumbersLawyers? That's the only sort of immigrant that'll pass on the UK.

The reason West-European countries have immigrants is not that there's a supranational institution keeping them down. It's that there are prosperous.
From Languish experiences, yes, yes they are.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Eddie Teach

Quote from: katmai on February 27, 2016, 02:26:05 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 26, 2016, 01:33:35 PM
Do the Brits really think that all it takes to stop immigration is to leave the EU?

Are Hungarian programmers that bad? Polish plumbersLawyers? Swedish nuclear physicists? Norwegian tech writers? French pharmacists? Spanish screenwriters? German administrators? American researchers? That's the only sort of immigrant that'll pass on the UK.
From Languish experiences, yes, yes they are.

Agree.
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grumbler

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 27, 2016, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 27, 2016, 02:26:05 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 26, 2016, 01:33:35 PM
Do the Brits really think that all it takes to stop immigration is to leave the EU?

Are Hungarian programmers that bad? Polish plumbersLawyers? Swedish nuclear physicists? Norwegian tech writers? French pharmacists? Spanish screenwriters? German administrators? American researchers? That's the only sort of immigrant that'll pass on the UK.
From Languish experiences, yes, yes they are.

Agree.

Marti has a habit of being fundamentally wrong on every single issue pertaining to the EU.
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