Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Zoupa]

I think you were born in the wrong century. Robber barons era would have fit your style more. You already have the muttonchops.

What is the purpose of this unending stream of meaningless Occupy Wall Street slogans directed at me?  Do you expect that with a couple more, or maybe the right ones, the scales will fall from my eyes and I will see the light?  Maybe you think there are some posters who are unsure of where you stand and you hope to inform them?

Right. Thanks.

[crazy canuck]

My alternative is that people acquire skills (the most easy to acquire being punctuality and dependability) so that their marginal revenue product increases.

Punctuality and dependability are unrelated to wages.

In which organization?

Every one I can think of.  Punctuality and dependability are minimum requirements.

In Canada an employer can terminate an employee for cause if they are not punctual or dependable.  So hardly the basis upon which a business would give a pay raise

In Sweden are employees routinely late or undependable?

[The Brain]

My alternative is that people acquire skills (the most easy to acquire being punctuality and dependability) so that their marginal revenue product increases.

Punctuality and dependability are unrelated to wages.

In which organization?

Every one I can think of.  Punctuality and dependability are minimum requirements.

In Canada an employer can terminate an employee for cause if they are not punctual or dependable.  So hardly the basis upon which a business would give a pay raise

In Sweden are employees routinely late or undependable?

If we focus on dependability which is the most important one I think, in Sweden (and I would guess elsewhere) employees typically are not all at the exact same level of dependability.

[crazy canuck]

Perhaps you are equating dependability with skill.

I have no quibble with saying skill is rewarded with higher wages.

But simply doing what you are supposed to do, that is expected.

[Josquius]

Punctuality is vastly over rated for the majority of professional jobs.
Who cares if someone is at their desk at 9 on the dot. This has no relation to whether they can do their work.

[Threviel]

Yeah, but if that someone is 20 minutes late for an important meeting someone else might be a bit peeved.

[Josquius]

Yeah, but if that someone is 20 minutes late for an important meeting someone else might be a bit peeved.

Sure, there's extremes. And I think we need to seperate out punctuality during the work day from mornings.
Especially when dealing with younger people.
I'm getting a bit better now but across my 20s mornings were a huge struggle. And no, not because of late night drinking sessions or the like. I'm just one of the many with a later natural schedule and crap sleep skills.

[Tamas]

Yeah, but if that someone is 20 minutes late for an important meeting someone else might be a bit peeved.

Sure, there's extremes. And I think we need to seperate out punctuality during the work day from mornings.
Especially when dealing with younger people.
I'm getting a bit better now but across my 20s mornings were a huge struggle. And no, not because of late night drinking sessions or the like. I'm just one of the many with a later natural schedule and crap sleep skills.

I guess it depends on the job you do. My first "proper" job was shift work where I took over monitoring of systems from the previous shift. Being late would had screwed my mates over so I always arrived on time.

[Threviel]

Also a lot of people, perhaps most, don't have cushy office jobs. Try to tell Amazon, McDonalds or Lidl that 20 minutes late for your shift is no problem.

[Josquius]

I specified the majority of professional jobs

Though when working a  macjob the employer has little right to complain about its employees not being super motivated and 100% every day.
In the worst job ever (tm) I was expected to work 8am-9.30pm several days a week with no weekends.... Then they complained my shirt wasn't ironed. Yeah. You think?

[Threviel]

I was about to go on a rant that you are a spoiled fuck, til I googled "professional job". Apparently a real term describing jobs needing some kind of degree.

So apparently I should go on a rant about my low english skills.

[Tamas]

Well I don't think "I have trouble getting up in the morning" is excuse enough to be late from work. If nothing else, it is disrespectful of your co-workers, especially if they would have to pick up things for you while you are struggling with your reluctance to awake.

[Josquius]

Well I don't think "I have trouble getting up in the morning" is excuse enough to be late from work. If nothing else, it is disrespectful of your co-workers, especially if they would have to pick up things for you while you are struggling with your reluctance to awake.

As said for most roles I don't think it matters at all. Overall people are steadily waking up to this and reclaiming the world from the tyranny of the morning people. I've even seen some suggestions of shifting school schedules to later in the day as no matter their core schedule teenagers tend to sway later.
Some people are wiped out by 3pm, for others that's their time of peak productivity, we should account for everyone in the temporal-diverse workforce.
I've definitely noticed an increasing recognition of meetings at 9am (or 5pm) being considered rude.

[Tamas]

Well I don't think "I have trouble getting up in the morning" is excuse enough to be late from work. If nothing else, it is disrespectful of your co-workers, especially if they would have to pick up things for you while you are struggling with your reluctance to awake.

As said for most roles I don't think it matters at all. Overall people are steadily waking up to this and reclaiming the world from the tyranny of the morning people. I've even seen some suggestions of shifting school schedules to later in the day as no matter their core schedule teenagers tend to sway later.
Some people are wiped out by 3pm, for others that's their time of peak productivity, we should account for everyone in the temporal-diverse workforce.
I've definitely noticed an increasing recognition of meetings at 9am (or 5pm) being considered rude.

Yeah they are rude because if you are busy you need the morning to catch up on emails and organise your day. Not because somebody might be still having a snug-in.

[The Larch]

Well I don't think "I have trouble getting up in the morning" is excuse enough to be late from work. If nothing else, it is disrespectful of your co-workers, especially if they would have to pick up things for you while you are struggling with your reluctance to awake.

Talk for yourself, one of the reasons I became self-employed was the ability to set my own hours rather than follow office hours. 

Signed,
Not a morning person at all.