Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[The Brain]

It is already secondary to cultural issues. The nationalists in Hungary for example are very happy to celebrate and find common ground with the alt right mouthpieces of America. In the 90s and early 00s they would have died rather than being caught agreeing with anything coming from America.

Nationalist regimes in the 30s got along OK. I don't see a significant difference.

[Josquius]

Marxist class consciousness cutting across national lines performed very poorly when push came to shove in the Great War. There seems to be something very powerful about having a shared culture and language. I'm not sure if that has changed as much since 1914 as some people may wish it has.

Well, 1914 was alright, with the Christmas Truce et al. But yes. Overall the brainwashing held too strong.
The difference between then and now however is how linked we are. At the time coordination across borders wasn't particularly possible, especially for the poor. The average worker wasn't exchanging letters with someone they never met on the other side of Europe the way someone easily can today.

Nationalist regimes in the 30s got along OK. I don't see a significant difference.

There is quite a difference between getting along in the "My enemys enemy is my friend" way they did back then and the active coordination and alignment of today (the Spanish civil war being an exception).
These days you have the same teams of people actively going from country to country to fix elections. Active alignment on views and beliefs. To the alt right in Europe Trump is their president too.

I doubt that very much. Very few people are as connected to foreigners as we are. Language is a formidable barrier.

Only in so much as "Not speaking English" is a barrier that is increasingly falling, albeit far faster in some countries than others.
And who knows for how long this will even remain an issue. Web translators keep getting better. Though a Star Trek universal translator is as far off as ever, a seamless web in your language is not so far away.

That's certainly not true in Spain. Nationalist voters both on the left (Podemos) and right (Vox) are much younger than their more moderate parents.

Also you seem to confuse nationalism with the right. As puzzling as it may seem, there are plenty of leftists nationalist movements.

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

Groups like the SNP, though nationalist is in their name and is their reason for existence, stand outside of the nationalist tent due to the nature of their nationalism not being particularly nationalistic. As said they're looking for more autonomy within the structure of Europe rather than a hate-filled Scotland uber alles break with the world. There's also the factor of punching up and looking to break away from a nationalist regime rather than punching down and seeking to oppress that has historically applied to a lot of nationalist groups which claimed to be left wing.

[The Brain]

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

[Josquius]

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

I defy you to find someone who self-identifies as a 'nationalist' and is not at least on the hard right.
Even when the left moves away from its traditional territory of internationalism and into nationalism it does not become its defining characteristic.

[Iormlund]

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

I defy you to find someone who self-identifies as a 'nationalist' and is not at least on the hard right.
Even when the left moves away from its traditional territory of internationalism and into nationalism it does not become its defining characteristic.

Heh. There are tons of those. Sinn Fein, for a start. You might have heard of them somewhere ...

[Tamas]

The resurgence of the right is much, much closer tied to a counter push against upsets to the status quo, from migration to women's rights.

Sure nationalism is here to stay but it is not more than a convenient flag to gather around to defend against perceived or real loss of status within one's own society.

As always, nationalism/patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel

[Josquius]

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

I defy you to find someone who self-identifies as a 'nationalist' and is not at least on the hard right.
Even when the left moves away from its traditional territory of internationalism and into nationalism it does not become its defining characteristic.

Heh. There are tons of those. Sinn Fein, for a start. You might have heard of them somewhere ...

Again in a punching up situation.
Nationalism in Ireland has a long, established history where it means something quite different to in the rest of  the world.

[The Brain]

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

I defy you to find someone who self-identifies as a 'nationalist' and is not at least on the hard right.
Even when the left moves away from its traditional territory of internationalism and into nationalism it does not become its defining characteristic.

Your goalposts are all over the place, but it doesn't matter much since your basic claim is obviously nonsense.

[Josquius]

Nationalism is a right wing belief. Internationalism is the left wing belief it opposes.

I defy you to find someone who self-identifies as a 'nationalist' and is not at least on the hard right.
Even when the left moves away from its traditional territory of internationalism and into nationalism it does not become its defining characteristic.

Your goalposts are all over the place, but it doesn't matter much since your basic claim is obviously nonsense.

[Admiral Yi]

Again in a punching up situation.
Nationalism in Ireland has a long, established history where it means something quite different to in the rest of  the world.

"Punching up situation?"

I suppose the Scottish Nationalist Party also has a long, established history etc. etc?

[Josquius]

Again in a punching up situation.
Nationalism in Ireland has a long, established history where it means something quite different to in the rest of  the world.

"Punching up situation?"

I suppose the Scottish Nationalist Party also has a long, established history etc. etc?

Their supporters don't describe themselves as nationalists. They aren't aligned with the reactionary wave that is causing issues in recent years.
I've already been over them specifically as the text book example.

[garbon]

@Jos - https://www.zdnet.com/product/wt2-wearable-translator

[grumbler]

Again in a punching up situation.
Nationalism in Ireland has a long, established history where it means something quite different to in the rest of  the world.

"Punching up situation?"

I suppose the Scottish Nationalist Party also has a long, established history etc. etc?

Their supporters don't describe themselves as nationalists. They aren't aligned with the reactionary wave that is causing issues in recent years.
I've already been over them specifically as the text book example.

I do believe that this is the first time I have seen the No True Scotsman fallacy actually used in reference to the Scots. 

[Valmy]

Marxist class consciousness cutting across national lines performed very poorly when push came to shove in the Great War. There seems to be something very powerful about having a shared culture and language. I'm not sure if that has changed as much since 1914 as some people may wish it has.

Marxism was wrong? You don't say? However the Great War saw massive civil wars across political factions breakout across Europe so how that shows how nations all come together in brotherhood is beyond me, but maybe the Freikorps felt a great nationalist pangs of brotherhood as they shot other Germans. But you tell me how all that supports nationalism.

[Camerus]