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Started by OttoVonBismarck, February 13, 2016, 05:17:35 PM

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Maximus

Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2016, 02:52:06 PM:huh:  One doesn't have to even ever have attended a law school (or any other school, for that matter) to become a Justice of the USSC.  One doesn't even need to be a citizen, or even an adult.  There are no stated qualifications whatsoever.
Does one have to be a person?

Martinus

Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2016, 02:52:06 PM:huh:  One doesn't have to even ever have attended a law school (or any other school, for that matter) to become a Justice of the USSC.  One doesn't even need to be a citizen, or even an adult.  There are no stated qualifications whatsoever.
Does one have to be a person?

Judging from Thomas, no.

Caliga

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jimmy olsen

Interesting, I knew about Scalia's friendship with the notorious RBG, but I didn't know about his friendship with Kagan, let alone that he suggested her nomination.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/14/opinions/david-axelrod-surprise-request-from-justice-scalia/index.html

QuoteDavid Axelrod: A surprising request from Justice Scalia

By David Axelrod, CNN Senior Political Commentator

Updated 2355 GMT (0755 HKT) February 14, 2016 | Video Source: CNN

(CNN)—When the shocking news of Justice Antonin Scalia's passing hit Saturday night, my mind raced back to a White House Correspondents Association dinner seven years ago, when we were seated together.

David Axelrod

We bantered about my hometown of Chicago, where he had taught law before ascending to the bench. He opined on wine and music and generally lived up to his reputation as a man who told and enjoyed a good story.

And then our conversation took an unexpected turn.

Justice David Souter, Scalia's longtime colleague on the court, had just announced his retirement, creating a vacancy for President Obama to fill. Scalia figured that as senior adviser to the new president, I might have some influence on the decision -- or at least enough to pass along a message.

"I have no illusions that your man will nominate someone who shares my orientation," said Scalia, then in his 23rd year as the court's leading and most provocative conservative voice. "But I hope he sends us someone smart."


A little taken aback that he was engaging me on the subject, I searched for the right answer, and lamely offered one that signaled my slight discomfort with the topic. "I'm sure he will, Justice Scalia."

He wasn't done. Leaning forward, as if to share a confidential thought, he tried again.

"Let me put a finer point on it," the justice said, in a lower, purposeful tone of voice, his eyes fixed on mine. "I hope he sends us Elena Kagan."

I was surprised that a member of the court would so bluntly propose a nominee, and intrigued that it was Kagan, the former Harvard Law School dean who was appointed solicitor general by Obama to represent the government before the Supreme Court. Though she had worked on policy in the Clinton administration and had a reputation for pragmatism, Kagan plainly would be a liberal in the context of the court.

Later, I learned that Scalia and Kagan were friends, though I suspect she would have been as surprised as I was at the brazenness of Scalia's suggestion.

Each was a graduate of Harvard Law School and had taught at the University of Chicago Law School, though in different eras. They were of different generations, he the son of an Italian immigrant, she a Jew from New York City's left-leaning West Side. But they shared an intellectual rigor and a robust sense of humor. And if Scalia could not have a philosophical ally in the next court appointee, he had hoped, at least, for one with the heft to give him a good, honest fight.

Kagan didn't get that nomination. The President instead chose Sonia Sotomayor, who would become the first Hispanic member of the Supreme Court.



But when another vacancy arose a year later with the retirement of Justice John Paul Stevens, Obama did nominate Kagan, whose friendship with Scalia would grow in the years to come, even as they differed, sometimes sharply, on issues before them.

During her confirmation meetings with senators, Kagan had vowed to go hunting to allay their concerns about her cultural awareness on the issue of guns. When she joined the court, she asked her friend, Scalia, to take her. The two, who occasionally shot intellectual darts at each other on paper, became regular, if unlikely, hunting partners.

The Supreme Court is a singular institution in our system: lifetime appointees, powerful in their impact but uniquely opaque in their process of arriving at decisions.

We have become inured to the animus that characterizes the relationship between many of our elected officials in these highly partisan times. But members of the court, free from the pressures of running for office, relate to each other in a different way.

So much so that a conservative lion would lobby the President's adviser for his liberal friend. Thank you, Justice Scalia, for your service to our country.
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Martinus


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Because they agree on shit. But of course the black man couldn't come up with those ideas on his own.  :rolleyes:
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Monoriu

Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2016, 01:03:46 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 14, 2016, 06:18:10 PM

:lol:

I meant that he is a braindead idiot who always votes with Scalia.

Ok, so we know that Scalia and Thomas often vote together.  How do you know who follows who? 

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Monoriu on February 15, 2016, 01:33:21 AM
Ok, so we know that Scalia and Thomas often vote together.  How do you know who follows who?

Thomas is famously silent during oral arguments and doesn't write many, if any, opinions.

Jaron

The winds of conspiracy in the air. It looks like Obama had Scalia murdered.
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Martinus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2016, 02:02:32 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 15, 2016, 01:33:21 AM
Ok, so we know that Scalia and Thomas often vote together.  How do you know who follows who?

Thomas is famously silent during oral arguments and doesn't write many, if any, opinions.

He could be ghost writing for Scalia. Would make sense for a white guy to take the credit for a black guy's work.

Ideologue

Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 14, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Dunno how that constitutes trolling.  He's certainly qualified, and as folks have mentioned, Taft served.

He's as qualified as any random politician you could name.  I mean, there are no qualifications, so everybody is qualified.  Obama is as ready to be a SC Justice in 2016 as he was to be president in 2008.  Which is to say, not much at all.

And this is as asinine as any random Languish post you could name.  There are no substantive Constitutional qualifications for any government posts--there are no legal qualifications for many private jobs as well--and yet, somehow, people are able to talk meaningfully about whether or not individuals are "qualified" to hold those jobs, and to what degree.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Ideologue on February 15, 2016, 04:59:40 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 14, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Dunno how that constitutes trolling.  He's certainly qualified, and as folks have mentioned, Taft served.

He's as qualified as any random politician you could name.  I mean, there are no qualifications, so everybody is qualified.  Obama is as ready to be a SC Justice in 2016 as he was to be president in 2008.  Which is to say, not much at all.

And this is as asinine as any random Languish post you could name.  There are no substantive Constitutional qualifications for any government posts--there are no legal qualifications for many private jobs as well--and yet, somehow, people are able to talk meaningfully about whether or not individuals are "qualified" to hold those jobs, and to what degree.
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It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Ideologue

I've read the constitution, Tim.  It's why I said "substantive."

Did you know that the president also has to be a natural born citizen?
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