Hillary vs Bernie

[Barrister]

My outsider's impression is that the negative view of Hillary is all based on innuendo and deliberate malice, and gets its legs because she isn't an easy or natural public speaker, coming off as stiff, insincere and uncomfortable ... which is not to say she isn't horrible to deal with: I have no idea, never having dealt with her, but the sheer volume of excrement flung in her direction makes it practically impossible to get a grip on what she is "really" like.

I think there are some legitimate negative views on Hillary.  Namely that she (and Bill) are squarely in the hip pocket of the big banks and other rich corporate sponsors.  That she (and Bill) received millions and millions of dollars in speaking fees, and to the Clinton Foundation.

Isn't getting millions from rich corporate sponsors par for the course to an extent for 'establishment' political types in the US, in both parties?  How many haven't done so?

Well, yes, of course - but she and Bill have perfected the art.

Bill has earned over $100 million in speaking fees since leaving office.  Hillary has been in office so not able to earn such a large sum, but still demands hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees.  And companies aren't paying those fees because Hillary is a compelling public speaker.

[Valmy]

Well, yes, of course - but she and Bill have perfected the art.

Bill has earned over $100 million in speaking fees since leaving office.  Hillary has been in office so not able to earn such a large sum, but still demands hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees.  And companies aren't paying those fees because Hillary is a compelling public speaker.

Well yeah. They are insiders, part of the establishment, the man, etc...

But that is who I want in that office right now.

[The Brain]

Well, yes, of course - but she and Bill have perfected the art.

Bill has earned over $100 million in speaking fees since leaving office.  Hillary has been in office so not able to earn such a large sum, but still demands hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees.  And companies aren't paying those fees because Hillary is a compelling public speaker.

Well yeah. They are insiders, part of the establishment, the man, etc...

But that is who I want in that office right now.

Why not King George while you're at it?

[Eddie Teach]

It's a lot more dignified than the way Sarah Palin has monetized her brush with political fame.

[Razgovory]

Bill cheated on his wife, committed perjury, possibly suborned perjury, and worst of all, he was a liveral.

I was never interested in Whitewater, so no idea what the truth is there.

Bill Clinton was elected in 1992.  Impeachment of Bill Clinton was 1998 (note that the impeachment came out of the investigation of Whitewater).  What were they talking about between 1992 and 1998?

[Valmy]

Why not King George while you're at it?

Well he has been dead since 1952. And he is not Constitutionally eligible. And he is not a US insider. But besides that I might consider him. I understand he can give a hell of a speech.

[derspiess]

It's a lot more dignified than the way Sarah Palin has monetized her brush with political fame.

We don't know that because we don't have Hillary's transcripts.

[Jacob]

Bill cheated on his wife, committed perjury, possibly suborned perjury, and worst of all, he was a liveral.

I was never interested in Whitewater, so no idea what the truth is there.

Fair enough - that's pretty much the truth. It's a bit of a journey to draw a line from that to Hillary being a cold evil bitch though.

[garbon]

Why not King George while you're at it?

Well he has been dead since 1952. And he is not Constitutionally eligible. And he is not a US insider. But besides that I might consider him. I understand he can give a hell of a speech.

[Eddie Teach]

Bill Clinton was elected in 1992.  Impeachment of Bill Clinton was 1998 (note that the impeachment came out of the investigation of Whitewater).  What were they talking about between 1992 and 1998?

Gays in the military, ObamaHillaryCare, Bill's love life(starting with Jennifer Flowers in campaign), OJ, Rodney King, the Chicago Bulls, Boris Yeltsin...

[Eddie Teach]

Fair enough - that's pretty much the truth. It's a bit of a journey to draw a line from that to Hillary being a cold evil bitch though.

I think that's mostly built on the belief that it was a marriage of opportunity for her and she didn't care about Bill's fidelity. Well, the cold part. Evil is automatic for anyone with a (D) attached to their name.

[Jacob]

I think that's mostly built on the belief that it was a marriage of opportunity for her and she didn't care about Bill's fidelity. Well, the cold part. Evil is automatic for anyone with a (D) attached to their name.

Seems like a reasonable analysis, though it also seems fairly insubstantial.

[derspiess]

I think that's mostly built on the belief that it was a marriage of opportunity for her and she didn't care about Bill's fidelity. Well, the cold part. Evil is automatic for anyone with a (D) attached to their name.

Don't forget the things she said about Bill's accusers. 

[garbon]

I think that's mostly built on the belief that it was a marriage of opportunity for her and she didn't care about Bill's fidelity. Well, the cold part. Evil is automatic for anyone with a (D) attached to their name.

Seems like a reasonable analysis, though it also seems fairly insubstantial.

It also leads to a bizarre place where one has to ask so was the right thing for Hillary to honor her vows and stay married or was she supposed to dishonor them and divorce Bill? What would she have done if she wasn't so cold and calculating?

[Eddie Teach]

I think that's mostly built on the belief that it was a marriage of opportunity for her and she didn't care about Bill's fidelity. Well, the cold part. Evil is automatic for anyone with a (D) attached to their name.

Seems like a reasonable analysis, though it also seems fairly insubstantial.

Well, the description "cold evil bitch" isn't all that common. I don't think I'd heard it put so starkly before today.