Hillary vs Bernie

[Berkut]

You know, the stuff people have been bitching about constantly for decades. That article Tim posted about why people like Trump talks about some of this. How legitimate those complaints are is something else.

people complain all the time about stuff they don't know anything about, so I asked for clarification. maybe wealth gaps are inevitable in capitalism, and this current wealth gap was only slightly created by current policies. I dunno, I don't study this stuff - I ask to hear from people who do study it.

I know. So go read this: http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,13717.0.html

We've had a lengthy debate  on the topic before.
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,10247.0.html

Unfortunately, Berkut's link in the OP is broken, but I believe it was similar to this one:
http://equitablegrowth.org/exploding-wealth-inequality-united-states/

That was one of the most depressing discussions I've ever been a part of on Languish.

The ability of both ends of the spectrum to just willfully ignore that scope and bounds of the problem and potential solution set because they care so much more about their sides ideology than actually solving anything made me really start to understand just how intractable the problem actually is...

[derspiess]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/all-the-terrible-things-hillary-clinton-has-done-in-one-big-list-2016-02-04

All the terrible things Hillary Clinton has done — in one big list

I have a confession to make: I can't keep up.

Am I supposed to hate Hillary Rodham Clinton because she's too left-wing, or too right-wing? Because she's too feminist, or not feminist enough? Because she's too clever a politician, or too clumsy?

Am I supposed to be mad that she gave speeches to rich bankers, or that she charged them too much money?


I'm up here in New Hampshire watching her talk to a group of supporters, and I realized that I have been following this woman's career for more than half my life. No, not just my adult life: the whole shebang. She came onto the national scene when I was a young man.

And for all that time, there has been a deafening chorus of critics telling me that she's just the most wicked, evil, Machiavellian, nefarious individual in American history. She has "the soul of an East German border guard," in the words of that nice Grover Norquist. She's a "bitch," in the words of that nice Newt Gingrich. She's a "dragon lady." She's "Elena Ceaușescu." She's "the Lady Macbeth of Little Rock."

Long before "Benghazi" and her email server, there was "Whitewater" and "the Rose Law Firm" and "Vince Foster." For those of us following her, we were promised scandal after scandal after scandal. And if no actual evidence ever turned up, well, that just proved how deviously clever she was.

So today I'm performing a public service on behalf of all the voters. I went back and re-read all the criticisms and attacks and best-selling "exposes" leveled at Hillary Rodham Clinton over the past quarter century. And I've compiled a list of all her High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Here they are:

1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.

2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.

3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.

4. She's a lesbian.

5. Chelsea isn't Bill Clinton's child.

6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.

7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.

8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.

9. When Bill was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state's top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.

10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she's a crook.

11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she's a crook.

12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.

13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.

14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.

15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren't classified at the time.

16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by "technically" complying with it.

17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.

18. Donald Trump says she "should be in jail," and he's a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.

19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his "law-enforcement sources" tell him she is "about to be indicted" — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn't have good law-enforcement sources, who does?

20. She's a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.

21. She's a conservative "mousewife" who refused to break up her own family.

22. She's in favor of single moms.

23. She refused to be a single mom.

24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.

25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.

26. She's a frump.

27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.

28. She has "cankles."

29. She has a grating voice.

30. She yells into the microphone.

31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.

32. She's in the pay of the mafia.

33. She's in the pay of the Chinese government.

34. She's in the pay of the Wall Street banks.

35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.

36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn't find any evidence she'd committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.

37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the "Whitewater" real estate project, and while they didn't actually find anything, they wouldn't have spent all that money if there weren't something there.

38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the "Whitewater" affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers' money.

39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.

40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn't follow through.

41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

42. She's got brain damage.

43. She's old.

44. She's really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.

45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.

46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.

47. She's a secret follower of "radical prophet" Saul Alinsky.

48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it's a well-known "socialist finishing school."

49. When she was young, she did things to build up her resume rather than just for their own good.

50. When Bill was president, she "allowed" him to keep people waiting.

51. She's married to a sex addict.

52. She's an enemy of traditional marriage.

53. She didn't divorce her husband.

54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.

55. She's hostile to women who fool around with her husband.

56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, "women will take over everything."

57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.

58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn't afford.

59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they're out at a restaurant.

60. She claimed there was a "vast right-wing conspiracy" against her husband, and turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think-tanks and books and news sites and stuff.

61. When she got married, she didn't "stay at home and bake cookies."

62. She supported the Iraq War because she's a secret foreign-policy conservative.

63. She's a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide "radical social experimentation" through the World Bank.

64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.

65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.

66. Oh, yeah — and she totally has a vagina.

It's clear: Hillary must be stopped. Hearings now!

Poor Hillary.  Just can't catch a break

[Valmy]

not every "expert" is equal, though. that's a possible theory and not fact, right?

Sure. Nothing is a fact until it happens.

[Valmy]

Poor Hillary.  Just can't catch a break

Or her detractors can't. All those years of character assassination and she still is in contention to become President. Kind of makes you wonder what might have happened if those people had devoted their time to doing something useful.

[The Minsky Moment]

The cankles are enough for me. Go Bernie!

You're being way too soft on Cubs fans.

[Razgovory]

They forgot the throwing kids in front of trains part.  Also killing Rob Brown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DSzcdCv8_s

[DGuller]

According to one poll, Bernie and Hillary are tied.  Nationally.  Holy crap.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/national-poll-republicans-democrats-218807

[Jacob]

Poor Hillary.  Just can't catch a break

She's doing pretty well, all told. But the amount of effort going in to flinging mud at her is quite monumental.

[DGuller]

Poor Hillary.  Just can't catch a break

She's doing pretty well, all told. But the amount of effort going in to flinging mud at her is quite monumental.

The amount of crap she is getting is 10 times what she deserves.  But the amount of crap that she does deserve is still a rather gigantic quantity.

[celedhring]

Poor Hillary.  Just can't catch a break

She's doing pretty well, all told. But the amount of effort going in to flinging mud at her is quite monumental.

Well, not many politicians somehow become targets for the right wing mud squad AND the left one at the same time. My Facebook feed is full from anti-Hillary stuff from Bernie fans.

[Razgovory]

Poor Hillary.  Just can't catch a break

She's doing pretty well, all told. But the amount of effort going in to flinging mud at her is quite monumental.

They've had a lot of practice.  Like 25 years of practice.  The bullshit in the 1990's was breathtaking in it's scope and craziness.

[Eddie Teach]

The cankles are enough for me. Go Bernie!

You're being way too soft on Cubs fans.

I admire their perseverance.

[Josquius]

According to one poll, Bernie and Hillary are tied.  Nationally.  Holy crap.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/national-poll-republicans-democrats-218807

Given what happened in Iowa...... in other words Hillary will win.

[Razgovory]

I strongly suspect that Clinton will clean up in the South.

[Valmy]

I strongly suspect that Clinton will clean up in the South.

We shall see. Populism plays well in the South.