and now.... Honduras.

[grumbler]

I don't understand why and when you announced that you would not recognize the November 29th elections.  Not even the Obama Administration did that.  I think we should call you "The Hamateur" from now on, as you are even more anti-liberal than Obama.

You fail again.

U.S. May Not Recognize Results of Honduran Vote

Not I who is failing here, Hamateur.

[dps]

The fact that Iran has not given in to international pressure on their nuclear program shows they were right all along.

I think that it's intended as a sarcastic retort to the idea that the white minority governments of Rhodesia and South Africa were wrong to give in to international pressure and step aside for black majority governments--i.e.,  if it's "wrong" for governments to give in to international pressure, the Iranian government must be "right" for not doing so.

[Hansmeister]

I don't understand why and when you announced that you would not recognize the November 29th elections.  Not even the Obama Administration did that.  I think we should call you "The Hamateur" from now on, as you are even more anti-liberal than Obama.

You fail again.

U.S. May Not Recognize Results of Honduran Vote

Not I who is failing here, Hamateur.

tjhis is the best you can do?  I guess since Obama merely threatebn to not recognize democratic elections it is all a-ok.

[Admiral Yi]

I think that it's intended as a sarcastic retort to the idea that the white minority governments of Rhodesia and South Africa were wrong to give in to international pressure and step aside for black majority governments--i.e.,  if it's "wrong" for governments to give in to international pressure, the Iranian government must be "right" for not doing so.

It was a sarcastic retort to the idea that the Honduran government giving in to international pressure proves that their prior actions were illegitimate.

[grumbler]

It was a sarcastic retort to the idea that the Honduran government giving in to international pressure proves that their prior actions were illegitimate.

Whose idea was that? 

I also think that talking about "the Honduran government" in a case like this is kinda silly.  Which Honduran government? What parts of that government?

I don't think anyone bar the Honduran Army is arguing seriously that the actions of the Army in exiling the country's president were constitutional - and I don't think even they are seriously arguing it. I retrospect, I suspect almost everyone in any branch of the Honduran government wishes they had been less hasty.

[The Minsky Moment]

it sure sucks that the Obamateur celebrates his first forign policy victory by undermining democracy in honduras to reinstate an anti-amrican thug to power in order to appease Hugo Chavez.  Too bad for if the Law Library of Congress has found that his removal from power was legal and constitutional http://www.mcclatchydc.com/257/story/78045.html good for them to refuse to retract their findings when attacked by John Kerry.  All we had to do to force Honduras to reinstate their unpopular and criminal president was to announce that we wouldn't recognize the election in November otherwise.  Bravo, what a victory for democracy!  The Obamateur loved the Iranian election and was opposed to free elections in Honduras.  Welcome to the anti-liberal world view of Obama.

The American pro-authoritarian right . . . supporting military dictatorships in Latin America since 1905.

[The Minsky Moment]

It was a sarcastic retort to the idea that the Honduran government giving in to international pressure proves that their prior actions were illegitimate.

And here I was thinking that the Honduran military's illegitimate actions were what gave rise to the international pressure. 

[Grey Fox]

I like that: "the Hamateur".

[Admiral Yi]

And here I was thinking that the Honduran military's illegitimate actions were what gave rise to the international pressure.

Why in the world were you thinking that?  The OAS demanded that the forrmer president be reinstated, which would lead most people to suspect that his removal from office was in some way connected to their ire.

[The Minsky Moment]

And here I was thinking that the Honduran military's illegitimate actions were what gave rise to the international pressure.

Why in the world were you thinking that?  The OAS demanded that the forrmer president be reinstated, which would lead most people to suspect that his removal from office was in some way connected to their ire.

It would also lead most people to believe that the OAS was of the opinion that the removal was not legitimate.

[Admiral Yi]

It would also lead most people to believe that the OAS was of the opinion that the removal was not legitimate.

Anything is possible.  I haven't seen any poll numbers on public perceptions of OAS motivations.  But at least some people, me included, think legitimacy had little or nothing to do with it.  Has the OAS published an opinion that the Honduran constitution was invalid?  That the ruling of the Honduran Supreme Court was illegitimate?  Unless one of those two things is true, then the demand that the former president be reinstated are not based on issues of legitimacy.  I'm familiar with, and agree with, your criticism that expulsion from the country was extrajudicial.  But the redress for this grievous breech is to allow him back into the country, as a private citizen, not to reinstate him in office.

[Eddie Teach]

I like that: "the Hamateur".

Would work better if he was Hamilcar.

[The Minsky Moment]

It would also lead most people to believe that the OAS was of the opinion that the removal was not legitimate.

Has the OAS published an opinion that the Honduran constitution was invalid?  That the ruling of the Honduran Supreme Court was illegitimate?  Unless one of those two things is true, then the demand that the former president be reinstated are not based on issues of legitimacy. 

The OAS is not a court; they are not in the business of publishing opinions. 

Like grumbler I can't help but notice that every single government in the free world to weigh on this matter has declared the coup improper and illegitimate.  It is possible that this unanamity stems from the fact that all the governments of the free nations of the world are corrupt and have bad motives, but in my view extremely unlikely.  The fact the the "Law Librarian" of the Library of Congress has a different view does not impress me; nor are the tortured legalisms that are being used sophistically to explain why having the Army physically kidnap a President with several years on his term, and bundle him out of the country without any sort of trial or due process, is a perfectly legitimate procedure consistent with a free democratic society.

[derspiess]

You got your guy back, MM.  Be happy.

[Admiral Yi]

The OAS is not a court; they are not in the business of publishing opinions. 

Like grumbler I can't help but notice that every single government in the free world to weigh on this matter has declared the coup improper and illegitimate.  It is possible that this unanamity stems from the fact that all the governments of the free nations of the world are corrupt and have bad motives, but in my view extremely unlikely.  The fact the the "Law Librarian" of the Library of Congress has a different view does not impress me; nor are the tortured legalisms that are being used sophistically to explain why having the Army physically kidnap a President with several years on his term, and bundle him out of the country without any sort of trial or due process, is a perfectly legitimate procedure consistent with a free democratic society.

No due process??  Excuse me?  Was there something improper about the way in which the Honduran Supreme Court reached its decision?  Are there some details of Honduran constitutional law you're privvy to and would like to share?

I am not familiar with the tortured legalisms being used sophistically to explain why the army had to bundle him out of the country.  Perhaps you can share them as well, although as I already indicated I don't think I would be inclined to accept them.  If you still have time after that maybe you can explain why the correct redress for an improper bundling is to reinstate a person, one judged by the highest court in the land as disqualified from holding public office for ten years, in the office of president.