Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Razgovory]

It's a rather famous photo.  I think they built a statue to her in Yugoslavia.

[DGuller]

I don't think this kind of propaganda requires elaborate muddying of waters.  It's meant to activate the emotions and then move on.

[The Larch]

That's a joke right? 

It is not.

I posted a rebuttal to my sisters wall, and I suspect it may mean she disowns me. Pointing out that the young womens last words were ""Long live the Communist Party, and partisans! Fight, people, for your freedom! Do not surrender to the evildoers! I will be killed, but there are those who will avenge me!" and that she was a member of the Communist Party since she was 15 will not go over well.

I was going to say something like that, that knowing what the Yugoslav partisans fought for would really change her point of view.

[Duque de Bragança]

I guess the thing that confuses me about this is that the big foe of the Nazis was the Socialist Party of Germany. If they were just some socialist party the SPD and the KPD would have been their friends...so how does that work?

You were not the only one confused, judging by the Strasser brothers. I doubt most who share the meme know about them, however.
After the Night of the Long Knives, the matter was mostly solved.
There are examples of tactical or short-term collaboration between KPD and NSDAP before, such as the public transportation strike in Berlin in November 1932.

The Larch

Chetniks were also Yugoslav partisans, but I know what you mean.

And yes, Raz is right, there is a statue of her. Information easy to come by Wikipedia, at least in English and French, probably more languages.

[The Larch]

The Larch

Chetniks were also Yugoslav partisans, but I know what you mean.

I doubt that Chetniks would have teenage girls amongst their ranks.  And by 1943 they were already somehow allied with the Nazis anyway, fighting against Tito and terrorizing non Serb populations.

[Valmy]

You were not the only one confused, judging by the Strasser brothers. I doubt most who share the meme know about them, however.
After the Night of the Long Knives, the matter was mostly solved

Oh I am not confused about it. After all the hijacking of Socialism by the nationalist right was something the French pioneered of course :Boulanger:

[Josquius]

Its funny when you get this sort whinging about the nazis being socialist with one breath then with the other they say the only true definition of socialism is a USSR style marxist dictatorship.

[Duque de Bragança]

The Larch

Chetniks were also Yugoslav partisans, but I know what you mean.

I doubt that Chetniks would have teenage girls amongst their ranks.  And by 1943 they were already somehow allied with the Nazis anyway, fighting against Tito and terrorizing non Serb populations.

Auxiliary roles most likely, as was the social norm in the Balkans and elsewhere.
I also doubt they terrorized German-speaking populations (Volksdeutsche) given the amount of reprisals they would get. 
Some groups even came up with some kind of understanding with the Ustasha, despite the Ustasha mass slaughtering Serbs.
Mihajlovic's authority, role and opportunistic/collaborationist policy vis-à-vis the German and Italian occupation forces – the latter used the Chetniks in a divide et impera way, to counter the now hostile Ustasha (protecting some Serbian civilian population in some cases) – is still a hot topic in Serbia, whereas in the West the matter is mostly settled.

[Eddie Teach]

@Tyr The common element is that  Socialism  is opposed to freedom.

[Duque de Bragança]

You were not the only one confused, judging by the Strasser brothers. I doubt most who share the meme know about them, however.
After the Night of the Long Knives, the matter was mostly solved

Oh I am not confused about it. After all the hijacking of Socialism by the nationalist right was something the French pioneered of course :Boulanger:

Don't forget Robespierre's role in creating modern patriotism or nationalism, or I'll have Fouquier-Tinville investigating you! 

[The Brain]

AFAIK National Socialism first rose to significance among the Czechs in the late 19th century.

[The Larch]

The Larch

Chetniks were also Yugoslav partisans, but I know what you mean.

I doubt that Chetniks would have teenage girls amongst their ranks.  And by 1943 they were already somehow allied with the Nazis anyway, fighting against Tito and terrorizing non Serb populations.

Auxiliary roles most likely, as was the social norm in the Balkans and elsewhere.
I also doubt they terrorized German-speaking populations (Volksdeutsche) given the amount of reprisals they would get. 
Some groups even came up with some kind of understanding with the Ustasha, despite the Ustasha mass slaughtering Serbs.
Mihajlovic's authority, role and opportunistic/collaborationist policy vis-à-vis the German and Italian occupation forces – the latter used the Chetniks in a divide et impera way, to counter the now hostile Ustasha (protecting some Serbian civilian population in some cases) – is still a hot topic in Serbia, whereas in the West the matter is mostly settled.

Actually Chetniks limited women participation to nursing and intelligence, and completely banned them from fighting duties. In fact they ridiculed Tito's partisans for having women fighting alongside them.

Chetniks'd not act against Yugoslav Volksdeutsche (located mostly in NE Serbia) as the branch in that area (the Black Chetniks or Pecanac Chetniks, named after their commander) were collaborationists with the puppet Serbian government established by the Nazis. They ended up being disbanded in 1943 because of their inneficiency anyway. Regular Chetniks focused more on muslims and minorities in order to ethnically cleanse their vision of Greater Serbia. Their relationship with Croatians was more complicated, and at least initially they fought against Ustashe but didn't target Croatian civilians, as there were lots of fluctiations and shifting alliances during the war (for instance initially Chetniks had jewish members, but over time they left for Tito's partisans in light of the Chetniks' cooperation with Axis forces, and later on they tried to recruit muslim Bosnians so they'd moderate their view of them accordingly). AFAIK their cooperation with the Ustase was quite local, and only focused initially in some areas of Bosnia (over time it'd encompass the whole Bosnia), and purely pragmatical in order to fight their common enemy, Tito's partisans, although they ended up subordinating themselves to the Croatians. Mihajlovic was completely against that and his Chetnik branch never collaborated with the Ustase, IIRC.

In any case, WWII in the Balkans was a bloody mess and keeping track of all the shifting alliances a maddening effort.

[Duque de Bragança]

Very far in ideology though from NSDAP. Can't put Beneš on the same footing as Adolf.
Between social democracy and liberalism. So more like civic nationalism.

In socialist terms, Benito was more socialist than Adolf. 

[Duque de Bragança]

The Larch

Chetniks were also Yugoslav partisans, but I know what you mean.

I doubt that Chetniks would have teenage girls amongst their ranks.  And by 1943 they were already somehow allied with the Nazis anyway, fighting against Tito and terrorizing non Serb populations.

Auxiliary roles most likely, as was the social norm in the Balkans and elsewhere.
I also doubt they terrorized German-speaking populations (Volksdeutsche) given the amount of reprisals they would get. 
Some groups even came up with some kind of understanding with the Ustasha, despite the Ustasha mass slaughtering Serbs.
Mihajlovic's authority, role and opportunistic/collaborationist policy vis-à-vis the German and Italian occupation forces – the latter used the Chetniks in a divide et impera way, to counter the now hostile Ustasha (protecting some Serbian civilian population in some cases) – is still a hot topic in Serbia, whereas in the West the matter is mostly settled.

Actually Chetniks limited women participation to nursing and intelligence, and completely banned them from fighting duties. In fact they ridiculed Tito's partisans for having women fighting alongside them.


In any case, WWII in the Balkans was a bloody mess and keeping track of all the shifting alliances a maddening effort.

So basically, we're in agreement.  cf. auxiliary roles
Nobody disputes that, but Chetniks did try to moderate their anti-muslim stance after 1943, with limited results, given all the previous bad blood.

Their dilemma was not unique see Ukrainian nationalists under Bandera, a radical as well. First, welcoming Germs as liberators, even collaborating, then turning back against them as well however, given the harsh occupation and nazi ideology.

[The Larch]

Very far in ideology though from NSDAP. Can't put Beneš on the same footing as Adolf.
Between social democracy and liberalism. So more like civic nationalism.

In socialist terms, Benito was more socialist than Adolf. 

It'd be better if you quoted Brain, as you had me scratching my head for a while wondering what you were answering.