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Razgovory

#7020
May 21, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 20, 2019, 02:50:15 PM
No it wasn't.

The ones I can see some truth to are:

raise taxes: Republicans in 1860 did support higher tariffs to protect industry, and temporary taxes to support the war effort (when that started the following year).
open borders: there had never been an immigration law in US history. I don't think you can really call the republicans in 1860 an especially pro immigrant party, however - they introduced and passed the country's first immigration exclusion bills the following decade.
suppress free speech: I guess you can make a case they did suppress free speech while putting down a rebellion.


I doesn't say "Immigration" it says "Open borders".  The US had Open borders in 1860 and the GOP did not see fit to change that.  They also were very much against taking away guns... from the rebels.  There is an interesting political cartoon about John C. Freemont where they accuse him of supporting Socialism, Catholicism, and Feminism.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#7021
May 21, 2019, 03:19:06 PM



Uh, Viper.  What is the symbol that is on the caveman's shoulder?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

alfred russel

#7022
May 21, 2019, 04:15:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 21, 2019, 03:18:24 PM

I doesn't say "Immigration" it says "Open borders".  The US had Open borders in 1860 and the GOP did not see fit to change that. 

I told you that was one I could give you, but still I doubt that was in their platform, for the reason that Valmy mentions.

QuoteThey also were very much against taking away guns... from the rebels. 

I think virtually every government and political movement in history has been against rebels being continuing to be armed. By that standard the modern republican party is for taking away guns since presumably they don't want convicted murderers and active rebels to have them either.
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Tonitrus

#7023
May 21, 2019, 04:30:34 PM Last Edit: May 21, 2019, 04:33:23 PM by Tonitrus
Quote from: Razgovory on May 21, 2019, 03:19:06 PM



Uh, Viper.  What is the symbol that is on the caveman's shoulder?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

Probably.  I'd guess to depict the Christian/evangelical angle.

Razgovory

#7024
May 21, 2019, 05:12:47 PM


A political cartoon accusing the John C. Freemont of holding crazy positions.

Animal rights and restriction on Tobacco and Alcohol, Women voting, Socialism, free love, Catholicism and Equality for African Americans.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#7025
May 21, 2019, 05:19:03 PM
Funny thing, in spite of Fremont, Catholics were largely a Democrat constituency at the time.
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Valmy

#7026
May 21, 2019, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on May 21, 2019, 05:19:03 PM
Funny thing, in spite of Fremont, Catholics were largely a Democrat constituency at the time.

Sure...but its complicated. The Democratic Party was certainly not pro-Catholic.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

#7027
May 21, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Valmy

#7028
May 21, 2019, 11:59:44 PM Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 12:03:53 AM by Valmy
So I could either have a car or a fetal brain? What can I do with a fetal brain?

And I mean if there was a black market for baby body parts I bet they could get them at a tiny fraction of that price. For many people around the world they could feed their family for years just by getting an abortion if those prices were true.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

#7029
May 22, 2019, 12:03:49 AM
Medical research, I presume.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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dps

#7030
May 22, 2019, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2019, 11:59:44 PM
So I could either have a car or a fetal brain? What can I do with a fetal brain?


Teach English to Koreans?

Valmy

#7031
May 22, 2019, 12:05:16 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 22, 2019, 12:03:49 AM
Medical research, I presume.

What sort of medical research requires fetal brains? I mean stem cells I get...but a mass of dead brain tissue?

And what kind of research requires fetal limbs?  :huh:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

#7032
May 22, 2019, 12:22:56 AM
This article explains a bit about the need for fetal cells, esp. brains. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-we-do-medical-research-without-fetal-tissue#How-fetal-tissue-helps

That said, are you doubting the impartial reporting of The Daily Signal? :P
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Valmy

#7033
May 22, 2019, 12:26:01 AM Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 12:28:21 AM by Valmy
I mean surely in China alone there are millions of miscarriages and abortions and so forth every year. I just don't understand how the market for fetuses is such that they are many times their weight in gold. it is not like this is a hard commodity to get your hands on.

QuoteThat said, are you doubting the impartial reporting of The Daily Signal?

Yeah...I am...skeptical that baby body parts are really the great money making opportunity of the 21st century. The Russian Mafia would already be flooding the market if it was. It just doesn't make any sense.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

viper37

#7034
May 22, 2019, 07:49:57 PM Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 07:52:08 PM by viper37
Quote from: Razgovory on May 21, 2019, 03:19:06 PM



Uh, Viper.  What is the symbol that is on the caveman's shoulder?

I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

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