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Started by Syt, December 06, 2015, 01:55:02 PM

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Valmy

Yeah the Chinese have never expressed anger at western nations for our bad behavior towards them before...
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

frunk

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Quote from: Syt on July 06, 2023, 11:41:17 AM

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This reads like one of those everything is wrong memes.  It could definitely be improved by making it Groucho Marx.

Barrister

Although apparently "literally meant figuratively" is so prevalent it's in the dictionary. :bleeding:

Quoteliterally
adverb
lit·�er·�al·�ly ˈli-tə-rə-lē  ˈli-trə-lē, ˈli-tər-lē
Synonyms of literally
1
: in a literal sense or manner: such as
a
: in a way that uses the ordinary or primary meaning of a term or expression
He took the remark literally.
a word that can be used both literally and figuratively
b
—used to emphasize the truth and accuracy of a statement or description
The party was attended by literally hundreds of people.
c
: with exact equivalence : with the meaning of each individual word given exactly
The term "Mardi Gras" literally means "Fat Tuesday" in French.
d
: in a completely accurate way
a story that is basically true even if not literally true
2
: in effect : VIRTUALLY —used in an exaggerated way to emphasize a statement or description that is not literally true or possible
will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice
—Norman Cousins
 Should literally be used for emphasis?: Usage Guide
Sense 2 is common and not at all new but has been frequently criticized as an illogical misuse. It is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis, but it often appears in contexts where no additional emphasis is necessary.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally
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Josquius

I guess historic communists were pretty against homosexuality seeing it as bourgeois nonsense and Marxist regimes weren't exactly great with gay rights.
But otherwise.... Yeah....
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Valmy

Quote from: Josquius on July 06, 2023, 02:09:31 PMI guess historic communists were pretty against homosexuality seeing it as bourgeois nonsense and Marxist regimes weren't exactly great with gay rights.
But otherwise.... Yeah....

Also hey they are the guys declaring that LGBT is Marxism of some kind, so I don't see why we need to account for their weird projections.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

Quote from: Josquius on July 06, 2023, 02:09:31 PMI guess historic communists were pretty against homosexuality seeing it as bourgeois nonsense and Marxist regimes weren't exactly great with gay rights.
But otherwise.... Yeah....

I think you may be mixing up Bolsheviks with historic communists.

Valmy

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 06, 2023, 02:33:48 PMI think you may be mixing up Bolsheviks with historic communists.

Next he might mix up Mozart with historic musicians.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2023, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 06, 2023, 02:33:48 PMI think you may be mixing up Bolsheviks with historic communists.

Next he might mix up Mozart with historic musicians.

If Mozart killed, banished or otherwise outlawed other musicians, yeah that would work.

Razgovory

I thought Marx was a writer, not a serial killer.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017


Valmy

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 07, 2023, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2023, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 06, 2023, 02:33:48 PMI think you may be mixing up Bolsheviks with historic communists.

Next he might mix up Mozart with historic musicians.

If Mozart killed, banished or otherwise outlawed other musicians, yeah that would work.

If a musician killed, banished, or otherwise outlawed other musicians would he cease to be a musician?

The Bolsheviks might be shitty Communists, but they were still Communists.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Josquius

Also the view of homosexuality, albeit not any action against gays, was pretty standard even amongst more reasonable socialists of the early 20th century.
An enlightened time as far as lgbt rights go it was not.

They were often amongst the first groups to flip on the issue though.
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crazy canuck

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Quote from: Valmy on July 07, 2023, 10:04:25 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 07, 2023, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2023, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 06, 2023, 02:33:48 PMI think you may be mixing up Bolsheviks with historic communists.

Next he might mix up Mozart with historic musicians.

If Mozart killed, banished or otherwise outlawed other musicians, yeah that would work.

If a musician killed, banished, or otherwise outlawed other musicians would he cease to be a musician?

The Bolsheviks might be shitty Communists, but they were still Communists.

If you ignore all the ways Bolsheviks violently disagreed with communists who adhered to Marxist theory then ok.  I suppose the term has sufficiently lost that distinction over time for your argument to be valid.

But the original post was about Marx.  And so you have to ignore all of those historic differences to make the argument that Bolsheviks were "historical communists".

Put simply, there has not yet been a communist state which developed from a capitalist state, something which historical communists argued was a necessary precondition of a communist state.  A small detail that often gets missed.

Eddie Teach

Marx never killed anyone nor did he pass any laws. Even if he had, that's like dismissing the principles of the American Revolution because many participants had slaves. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, you might call it.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Savonarola

In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock