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Started by Syt, December 06, 2015, 01:55:02 PM

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Josquius

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I dunno. You do hear that about stonehenge too. And Greeks aren't exactly the whitey mcwhiteface, not massively paler than Egyptians (where you more commonly hear this than mesoamericans)
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Josquius on January 05, 2023, 04:13:22 AMI dunno. You do hear that about stonehenge too. And Greeks aren't exactly the whitey mcwhiteface, not massively darker than Egyptians (where you more commonly hear this than mesoamericans)

But in the popular history the Greeks were albinos.

Threviel

Well, one was built by an iron age civilization and one was built by a barely copper age civilization. And one has written records dealing with construction and the other has written records with difficult names dealing with construction.

Darth Wagtaros

The Ancient Aliens thing is basically a racist dogwhistle.
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Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 05, 2023, 07:40:00 AMThe Ancient Aliens thing is basically a racist dogwhistle.
Don't know.  It just seems crazy.  "See these ancient tracks that look like chariot tracks but are not the same as 19th century chariots?  They're actually landing tracks for spacecrafts"  Duh...
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Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 05, 2023, 07:40:00 AMThe Ancient Aliens thing is basically a racist dogwhistle.

Isn't everything?  :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 05, 2023, 11:03:44 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 05, 2023, 07:40:00 AMThe Ancient Aliens thing is basically a racist dogwhistle.

Isn't everything?  :rolleyes:

So you are saying an idea based around brown people being too savage to build stuff shouldn't be interpreted as racist? That seems unreasonable.
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Eddie Teach

I'm not convinced it's only applied to brown people.
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HVC

It's a bit simplistic. I doubt most americans even know what an Egyptian looks like (modern or ancient).  It can be explains in many ways. For example. They know pyramids are big, and most people think the past is a lot more primitive then it is, so the answer is aliens.
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Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 05, 2023, 11:11:43 AMI'm not convinced it's only applied to brown people.

Well that is where it all comes from. Finding big ruins among the browns and trying to figure out how that happened.

Granted it just goes on to crazy places from that basis. But that doesn't change the basis.

But what kind of evidence would convince you?
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Quote from: HVC on January 05, 2023, 11:32:36 AMIt's a bit simplistic. I doubt most americans even know what an Egyptian looks like (modern or ancient).  It can be explains in many ways. For example. They know pyramids are big, and most people think the past is a lot more primitive then it is, so the answer is aliens.

I think in school they showed us the clearly not white painted images from egyptian tombs.
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Quote from: garbon on January 05, 2023, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 05, 2023, 11:32:36 AMIt's a bit simplistic. I doubt most americans even know what an Egyptian looks like (modern or ancient).  It can be explains in many ways. For example. They know pyramids are big, and most people think the past is a lot more primitive then it is, so the answer is aliens.

I think in school they showed us the clearly not white painted images from egyptian tombs.

Yeah, but you were an edyptophile so paid attention because their god are cool :D

Besides,  all the cool stuff is in hot places. Early complex civilization started there, so that leads to an abundance of places to point to and go "aliens"!  white Europe has a stone circle. Woopty doo :P
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Valmy

It seems to me presuming the local people did not build the shit around them wasn't really a thing until colonialism. And sure once you start trying to figure out which lost tribe of Israel really did build the mounds in Ohio eventually you start thinking aliens gave ancient Mayans laser guns. Stupid ideas quickly take you down the rabbit hole.
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