Now this is some fucked up shit right here...

Started by Berkut, December 04, 2015, 11:21:26 AM

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Berkut

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/magazine/the-serial-swatter.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmagazine&action=click&contentCollection=magazine&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

This is just completely nuts. The fact that this little anti-social psycho basically gets a slap on the wrist is astounding.

What about whatever adults enabled him? Who paid for his internet and ignored what he was doing?
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Valmy

These guys are costing tax payers millions and creating serious public safety concerns that could, and probably have, lead to death and injury. Eventually something is going to be done about it and then we will all suffer.
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Berkut

This particular case does illustrate a serious problem though - how do you deal with this kind of international crime?

This asshole was in Canada (typical Canadian), and look how hard it was to do anything about it.

What if he was in Russia? Or China?
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Quote from: Berkut on December 04, 2015, 11:41:58 AM
This particular case does illustrate a serious problem though - how do you deal with this kind of international crime?

This asshole was in Canada (typical Canadian), and look how hard it was to do anything about it.

What if he was in Russia? Or China?

Oh a solution to this problem will eventually be reached. And we will not like it. This is how psychopaths ruin it for everybody else.
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Martinus

Yeah I agree with Valmy. The most likely long term outcome, to me, will be the end of any anonymity on the Internet.

Razgovory

It sounds like reckless endangerment.  That's like a one year sentence.  16 months seems appropriate.
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Wow, it's amazing no one got shot given how many people he swatted.
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Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Yeah I agree with Valmy. The most likely long term outcome, to me, will be the end of any anonymity on the Internet.
Maybe there will be some good in that.  Anonymity has certainly played part in a lot of deleterious effects of the Internet age on society.

grumbler

For the Canuck lawyers (or CC, if no lawyers care to respond):  can the US victims of this guy sue under Canadian law?  Could they sufficiently prove their case if the evidence in the story is accurate?
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
Almost certainly judgment proof.
Really?  Just how much do the parents make, and what is the upper limit of worth that qualifies as judgement-proof in Canada/his jurisdiction?
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Wasn't there a Twitch streamer who was swatted while live?
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Quote from: Syt on December 04, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
Wasn't there a Twitch streamer who was swatted while live?

Wasn't that one fake? I don't remember.
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Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2015, 12:43:18 PM
For the Canuck lawyers (or CC, if no lawyers care to respond):  can the US victims of this guy sue under Canadian law?  Could they sufficiently prove their case if the evidence in the story is accurate?

I would imagine they could. The Canadian courts would have jurisdiction over this guy and his harassment has a jurisdictional nexus with Canada, as well as where his victims lived. He's carried on malicious acts that deliberately caused trauma and so damages to his victims as well as costs to the first responders (assuming, as stated, the accuracy of the story), so it shouldn't be too hard to find a tort theory that would fit.

Another possibility is suing the fellow in the home state of the victims, then seeking recognition and enforcement of those judgment(s) in Canada. That has become much easier in recent years under Canadian laws. That has the benefit, as far as the victims are concerned, of putting the onus and expense on this guy to try and defend the action(s) in another country (nowadays you can't sit back and ignore a foreign proceeding against you - Canadian courts will enforce them here if you do, and you will be fucked). 

Whether this guy has assets that would make suing him anywhere worthwhile is of course another story.
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