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Don’t erase Woodrow Wilson. Expose him.

Started by garbon, November 26, 2015, 08:23:33 AM

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Jacob

Quote from: Delirium on December 02, 2015, 02:52:25 PM
I like the original article, will try to use that in one of my history classes.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/racism-peace-prize-woodrow-wilsons-legacy-display-062350641.html?nhp=1

QuotePrinceton to keep Wilson's name despite his racist views

Woodrow Wilson's name will remain on Princeton University's public policy school, despite calls to remove it because the former U.S. president was a segregationist, the Ivy League university announced Monday.

Princeton was challenged to take a deeper look into Wilson's life in the fall, when a group of students raised questions about his racist views and their impact on his policy. The Black Justice League held a 32-hour sit-in inside the Princeton president's office, demanding Wilson's name be removed from programs and buildings, including the Woodrow Wilson School of Public Policy and International Affairs, and for other changes to be made on campus to make the university more diverse and inclusive.

The school has borne Wilson's name for more than eight decades. It will remain, but Princeton pledged to adopt other changes, including establishing a pipeline program to encourage more minority students to pursue doctoral degrees and diversifying campus symbols and art.

Wilson was president of Princeton from 1902 to 1910, and the country's 28th president from 1913 until 1921. Wilson won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1919 for being the architect of the League of Nations.

But he also supported segregation — including in the federal government — rolling back progress for the emerging black middle class in the nation's capital.

The debate over Wilson's name was part of a wave of racially motivated activism on college campuses across the country this school year that began with protests at the University of Missouri. There, black students — including members of the school's football team — successfully protested for the ouster of Missouri's president.

In recent months, college leaders have moved to change mascots, building names, mottos and other symbols some have deemed offensive or outdated. Most recently, Harvard University has taken steps to remove university references tied to slavery.

Princeton created a website that included input from nine Wilson scholars and biographers, and received more than 600 submissions from Princeton alumni, faculty and the public. The program changes were recommended by a 10-member committee that met about a dozen times between December and March.

The board of trustees' decision comes on the same day that the school launches an interactive exhibit putting Wilson in context for his era while emphasizing that he was a man apart from it — for better and worse. "In the Nation's Service? Wilson Revisited" will run through Oct. 28. An interactive version is also available online, inviting viewers to tweet their reactions.

"What we were trying to do here is take the line that separates 'Wilson good' and 'Wilson bad' and expand it," said Daniel Linke, archivist at the Seeley G. Mudd Manuscript Library at Princeton and curator of the exhibit. "There's a nuanced debate to be had. He's still affecting us today."

Kristen Coke and Jameil Brown enrolled at the Wilson school not knowing much about the school's namesake aside from his oft-touted positive accomplishments, from his record during his two terms as a U.S. president to the changes he made as the university's president to elevate the school's stature.

It wasn't until their junior year that they began to learn more about his views toward African-Americans and women. Now seniors, both students were among the first to see a new exhibit Princeton launched Monday that will more fully explore who Wilson was — openly and publicly acknowledging his bigotry alongside the progressivism for which he is so revered.

"When we were freshmen here, there definitely was not really any conversation about what Woodrow Wilson's legacy was as a whole," said Coke, 21, who is black. "There's lots of things that we do here on campus to exalt his name. ... When I started critically looking at his legacy, it made me start to think, 'Who are we celebrating?'"

Cecilia Rouse, dean of the Wilson School, said the students have opened a helpful dialogue that is part of a national conversation.

"It's important for students to understand great people are complicated," said Rouse. "Rarely is someone black or white. We have to learn to live with that complexity. It's what we're grappling with on campuses across the country. We can sandblast a name from the building, but to actually change how we operate, and what our community is like is much harder."


Wilson is credited with creating the Federal Reserve system, led the U.S. into World War I and tried to preserve a lasting peace.

But his faults are laid bare from the beginning of the exhibit. One states plainly: "Among Wilson's most serious failings was his racism and the damage it did to individual lives at home and abroad." Another quotes him in his own words: "Segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen."

Particularly illuminating is a panel of quotes from his contemporaries, who single him out for his prejudices during his lifetime. Pioneering black journalist Ida B. Wells said of Wilson that segregation "has been given a new meaning and impetus under President Wilson, and members of the (black race) have been snubbed, degraded and humiliated during this administration as never before since freedom."
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Quote"It's important for students to understand great people are complicated," said Rouse. "Rarely is someone black or white. We have to learn to live with that complexity. It's what we're grappling with on campuses across the country. We can sandblast a name from the building, but to actually change how we operate, and what our community is like is much harder."

Uhm, I'm pretty sure Wilson was white.  :rolleyes:

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Quote from: Martinus on April 04, 2016, 11:19:20 AM
Uhm, I'm pretty sure Wilson was white.  :rolleyes:

Uhm, I'm pretty sure he was brown.  Albinos are more rare than you seem to think.  :rolleyes:
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I applaud this decision Princeton. The proper use of people like Wilson should be to educate and generate discussion. It is the same reason I like Columbus Day so much despite not thinking much of Columbus the man.
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Quote from: celedhring on November 30, 2015, 04:26:27 AM
It's so uncomfortable having such a violently racist film as one of the landmarks in American cinema, incidentally; when it got projected during my film class most black people quietly left the room.

It is an amazing film in so many ways. Shocking in how um...cinematic and well done it is. Shocking for its entire storyline and message.

As you might imagine it generated a pretty strong reaction from the Black people at the time as well and led to the creation of an entire Black film industry to give more positive films for black Americans.

But yeah that scene where the Carpetbaggers join forces with the Southerners to beat down the black rioters was unbelievable. 'Let us all bury our differences, north and south, and focus on the common enemy'.
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Norgy

Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2015, 04:40:01 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 30, 2015, 04:37:40 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2015, 04:31:33 AM
Wilson is worshipped in Poland. There are only two other US Presidents who have a major square/street named after them.

The others probably FDR and Kennedy?

FDR sure. Absolutely no reason to revere Kennedy. The third one is Reagan.

FDR has a statue near Akershus fortress, the Royal Guards' fortress.

I, like many other Norwegians, know FDR was the business and the best president the US has ever had.

JFK isn't exactly hated, but rather viewed with suspicion. RFK was more of a guy Norwegians could get behind. My mum is still raving about him.

Reagan is only loved by morons. Which seems fitting.

Archy

I love the internet. Just found a Belgian Who counted all presidents and made a site about it  :lol:
FYI total count per president

You can see a map over here
http://lvb.net/item/6195
-We do love the Kennedy  ;)
-Eisenhower has his 9 remarks most probably not for being an US president, but for being a general.
-Herbert Hoover is most probably also not for his presidentship, but for his leadership in the helpcommitee for Belgium in WWI.

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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 07, 2016, 06:03:08 AM
Trump's gonna make Mexico build an access road along the wall and call it the James Knox Polk Highway.

:lol:

Oh James K Polk you magnificent bastard.
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