Climate Change/Mass Extinction Megathread

Started by Syt, November 17, 2015, 05:50:30 AM

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crazy canuck

Before the US Supreme Court changed the Chevron test, I would have said this decision would certainly have been quashed by the court.  But now I am not so sure. 
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Weird to have scientific findings as political decisions.
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Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2026, 03:36:29 PMBefore the US Supreme Court changed the Chevron test, I would have said this decision would certainly have been quashed by the court.  But now I am not so sure. 

I don't understand.  My understanding of Chevron is that the decision, and resulting "Chevron deference", defended a similar action by the EPA against a challenge by an environmental group.  I would assume reversing that deference would make it easier to challenge this (though I think it won't matter either way with this court).

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Under the new test the judge gets to decide whether the decision is reasonable - the Chevron test required the judge to determine whether the reasons for making the decision were reasonable.  The reasons for making this decision would not have withstood scrutiny.
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Interesting:



QuoteRainfall in the UK between October-March has increased markedly since the Industrial Revolution

From this bbc item here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cgrz24y2wvno

And also from that article, more locally to me:



I'm sometime to be found walking along that raised town parth in the foreground, though obviously not for a while.

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This has been the case for Norway as well. When it rains, it pours. Our infrastructure has been found wanting and we are woefully ill prepared for the weather changing. As some probably know, Norway is sort of... hilly and with mountains. Large quantities of water from above tend to release whatever light stones and soil in huge mudslides. This is bad. As people live below hills. And mudslides are bad for houses. And that resale value.

mongers

It was a normal Spring day here. :blink:


so I'm calling it the arrival of said season.  :bowler: 
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Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2026, 04:23:34 PMUnder the new test the judge gets to decide whether the decision is reasonable - the Chevron test required the judge to determine whether the reasons for making the decision were reasonable.  The reasons for making this decision would not have withstood scrutiny.

Chevron required the courts to defer to the agency's reading of the statute as long as the interpretation was "permissible" - i.e. a plausible reading of the text.  In its original usage (Chevron) it was used to uphold the legality of Anne Gorsuch's attempt to gut the Clean Air Act by a highly restrictive interpretation of its source rules.

Loper Bright, in which Gorsuch's son joined the majority to overrule the case that she won - eliminated that deference so the court can interpret the statute as it wishes without giving any deference to the agency's interpretation.

The Endangerment Finding itself was put at risk by Loper Bright, because the Finding relied on an agency interpretation of "air pollution".  Withdrawing the finding could be impacted as well because the withdrawal notice does advance an interpretation of the statute that would no longer be protected by Chevron.  But it's all academic because this Court won't disagree with Seldin's EPA.
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To be honest I don't entirely disagree with the court's take on Chevron. As with everything in the US though - it does kind of require a functioning legislature and that doesn't exist.

Also I wonder if they'll apply the same logic and lack of deference to the administrative state when it comes to, say, ICE.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 26, 2026, 12:18:13 PMChevron required the courts to defer to the agency's reading of the statute as long as the interpretation was "permissible" - i.e. a plausible reading of the text.  In its original usage (Chevron) it was used to uphold the legality of Anne Gorsuch's attempt to gut the Clean Air Act by a highly restrictive interpretation of its source rules.

Sorry, I slipped into Canadian law verbiage - our concept of reasonable is very similar to your concept of permissible.

QuoteLoper Bright, in which Gorsuch's son joined the majority to overrule the case that she won - eliminated that deference so the court can interpret the statute as it wishes without giving any deference to the agency's interpretation.

For us the concept of deference has become less important as our courts have recognized that deference is built into the reasonableness (permissible) analysis.



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Sea level much higher than assumed in most coastal hazard assessments
QuoteThe impacts of sea-level rise and other hazards on the coasts of the world are determined by coastal sea-level height and land elevation1. Correct integration of both aspects is fundamental for reliable sea-level rise and coastal hazard impact assessments2,3, but is often not carefully considered or properly performed. Here we show that more than 99% of the evaluated impact assessments handled sea-level and land elevation data inadequately, thereby misjudging sea level relative to coastal elevation. Based on our literature evaluation, 90% of the hazard assessments assume coastal sea levels based on geoid models, rather than using actual sea-level measurements. Our meta-analyses on global scale show that measured coastal sea level is higher than assumed in most hazard assessments (mean offsets [standard deviation] of 0.27 m [0.76 m] and 0.24 m [0.52 m] for two commonly-used geoids). Regionally, predominantly in the Global South, measured mean sea level can be more than 1 m above global geoids, with the largest differences in the Indo-Pacific. Compared with geoid-based assumptions of coastal sea level, the measured values suggest that with a hypothetical 1 m of relative sea-level rise, 31–37% more land and 48–68% more people (increasing estimates to 77–132 million) would fall below sea level. Our results highlight the need for re-evaluation of existing coastal impact assessments and improvement of research community standards, with possible implications for policymakers, climate finance and coastal adaptation.


Bad measurements used, a fact known for about 20 years, but recently rediscovered because most researchers tend to work within their fields instead of forming multi-disciplinary units.
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crazy canuck

It's an interesting case study on the impact of how siloed so much of what we do has become.

In part, I suppose it's a necessity because of the complexity that has developed in many areas of knowledge and the require requirement to focus on particular aspects of one area.


For example, any lawyers now focus on a particular area within a more general area of practice. There are very few lawyers left who have a general practice covering multiple practice areas.

What gets lost is seeing how each area impacts the other.  In other words, we are quickly losing the ability to see the big picture.
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Quote from: viper37 on March 06, 2026, 11:00:57 AMSea level much higher than assumed in most coastal hazard assessments
QuoteThe impacts of sea-level rise and other hazards on the coasts of the world are determined by coastal sea-level height and land elevation1. Correct integration of both aspects is fundamental for reliable sea-level rise and coastal hazard impact assessments2,3, but is often not carefully considered or properly performed. Here we show that more than 99% of the evaluated impact assessments handled sea-level and land elevation data inadequately, thereby misjudging sea level relative to coastal elevation. Based on our literature evaluation, 90% of the hazard assessments assume coastal sea levels based on geoid models, rather than using actual sea-level measurements. Our meta-analyses on global scale show that measured coastal sea level is higher than assumed in most hazard assessments (mean offsets [standard deviation] of 0.27 m [0.76 m] and 0.24 m [0.52 m] for two commonly-used geoids). Regionally, predominantly in the Global South, measured mean sea level can be more than 1 m above global geoids, with the largest differences in the Indo-Pacific. Compared with geoid-based assumptions of coastal sea level, the measured values suggest that with a hypothetical 1 m of relative sea-level rise, 31–37% more land and 48–68% more people (increasing estimates to 77–132 million) would fall below sea level. Our results highlight the need for re-evaluation of existing coastal impact assessments and improvement of research community standards, with possible implications for policymakers, climate finance and coastal adaptation.


Bad measurements used, a fact known for about 20 years, but recently rediscovered because most researchers tend to work within their fields instead of forming multi-disciplinary units.

Thanks Viper, that's both interest and depressing.
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Syt

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-oil-spill-veracruz-17d98fc79f37987932ebddde9909a630

QuoteGulf of Mexico oil spill spread hundreds of miles, killed wildlife and polluted Mexican reserves

MEXICO CITY (AP) — An oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico in early March spread more than 600 kilometers (373 miles), including to seven nature reserves, and originated from a vessel yet to be identified and two "natural seepages," Mexican authorities announced Thursday.

Authorities, however, ruled out the possibility of severe environmental damage from the spill off coast of the eastern state of Veracruz.

The release of the preliminary findings came after weeks of controversy surrounding the lack of transparency in the case.

Navy secretary, Admiral Raymundo Morales, said satellite image analysis and inspections of the area identified three sources of the spill: a vessel anchored off the coast of the port city of Coatzacoalcos, in the eastern state of Veracruz; a geological site where crude oil naturally seeps, known as a "chapopotera," located 8 kilometers (5 miles) from that port; and another natural seepage located in the Bay of Campeche.

Morales said at a press conference that the vessel has not yet been identified because, as of early March, there were 13 ships sailing in the area that had not yet been inspected.

He also admitted that the source of the spill "remains active," and that one of the main sources is estimated to be the "natural seeps in Cantarell, in the Bay of Campeche."

"These oil seeps have a constant, natural emission; however, there has been a greater flow of contaminants in the last month," he said.


Five months earlier, heavy rains and flooding caused a pipeline rupture and a spill, also in Veracruz, that extended for 8 kilometers (5 miles) along the Pantepec River.

In the March spill, Morales reported that the oil covered an area of about 600 kilometers (373 miles) including 200 kilometers (125 miles) of coastline in the southern states of Veracruz and Tabasco. To date, "430 tons of hydrocarbons" have been collected.

Secretary of the Environment Alicia Bárcena reported that the spill affected seven protected natural reserves in the states of Veracruz and Tabasco, but insisted that "we have not detected severe environmental damage."

Environmental authorities have identified six species, including sea turtles, birds and fish, that were contaminated by the spill.

The National Commission of Natural Protected Areas (Conanp) reported Wednesday in a statement that hydrocarbons have been collected in the Los Tuxtlas Biosphere Reserve, the Veracruz Reef System National Park, the Lechuguillas Sanctuary, the Totonacapan Beaches Sanctuary, the Lobos Tuxpan Reef System Flora and Fauna Protection Area, and south of the Rancho Nuevo Beach Sanctuary in the state of Veracruz. Cleanup efforts were also carried out in the Centla Wetlands Biosphere Reserve in the state of Tabasco.

The international organization Oceana, dedicated to ocean conservation, said this week in a statement that, according to reports from communities belonging to the Gulf of Mexico Reef Corridor Network, the spill killed sea turtles, a manatee and various fish species, and damaged 17 reefs.


Unrelated:
https://apnews.com/article/endangered-whale-god-squad-gulf-of-mexico-3814a715a74fcd230f87cf8272eb6392

QuoteThe Trump administration on Tuesday exempted oil and gas drilling in the Gulf of Mexico from the Endangered Species Act after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said environmentalists' lawsuits against the industry threatened to hobble domestic energy supplies as the U.S. wages war against Iran.

Critics said the move by the government's Endangered Species Committee could doom a rare whale species and harm other marine life. Nicknamed the "God Squad" by groups who say it can decide a species' fate, the committee comprises several Trump administration officials and is chaired by Interior Secretary Doug Burgum.

It met Tuesday for the first time in more than three decades amid global oil shocks and soaring energy prices brought on by the Iran war. The U.S. pumps more oil than any other nation, but that hasn't insulated it from spiking prices: The national average for a gallon of gasoline topped $4 Tuesday for the first time since 2022.

[...]

"If Trump is successful here, he could be the first person in history to knowingly extirpate a species from the face of the earth. That's how precarious the condition of the Rice's whale is," said Patrick Parenteau, emeritus professor of law at Vermont Law School.

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