Dept of Education declares that school must allow boy to shower with girls

[viper37]

In other cultures there have always been more than two, but not in ours!

really?  I admit my curiosity now.  Thailand, apparently, but other than that, which culture recognizes more than two genders?

[Valmy]

Well there are thousands of cultures. I am sure there are a few in there with dozens of genders.

[Malthus]

In other cultures there have always been more than two, but not in ours!

really?  I admit my curiosity now.  Thailand, apparently, but other than that, which culture recognizes more than two genders?

Native Americans, for one. 

http://plainshumanities.unl.edu/encyclopedia/doc/egp.gen.004

In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, French explorers, traders, and missionaries in the Mississippi Valley occasionally encountered Native Americans who could be classified neither as men nor women. They called such individuals berdaches, a French term for younger partners in male homosexual relationships. In fact, Plains Indian berdaches are best described as occupying an alternative or third gender role, in which traits of men and women are combined with those unique to berdache status. Male berdaches did women's work, cross-dressed or combined male and female clothing, and formed relationships with non-berdache men.

Plains Indian women often engaged in hunting and warfare, but a female role equivalent to that of male berdaches, although common west of the Rockies, has been documented in the Plains only among the Cheyennes (the hetaneman). Even so, some Plains Indian women became notable warriors and leaders and behaved much like berdaches. In the early nineteenth century, Running Eagle of the Piegans wore male clothing on war parties, while Woman Chief of the Crows had four wives.

The French even invented the term for it. 

[viper37]

I think if the captain of the basketball team announced that he was going to dress up as a girl and claim gender-female status so he can go shower with the girls basketball team, he would not get any ridicule at all.

If think if he started dressing up as a girl all day long at school, he would get ridiculed.
There is a difference between dressing as a girl once to visit the girls' showers or crawling to a deck to see the girls showering or finding any other way into their dressing room and being dressed as a girl and doing sports with the girls every day for many months.

[Valmy]

Native Americans, for one. 

Do Native American progressives reject the Gender Trinary?

How common was this? My impression was that each Native American nation had a pretty different culture and language.

[Valmy]

I think if the captain of the basketball team announced that he was going to dress up as a girl and claim gender-female status so he can go shower with the girls basketball team, he would not get any ridicule at all.

If think if he started dressing up as a girl all day long at school, he would get ridiculed.
There is a difference between dressing as a girl once to visit the girls' showers or crawling to a deck to see the girls showering or finding any other way into their dressing room and being dressed as a girl and doing sports with the girls every day for many months.

The ability to pull off this scheme depends entirely on the idiocy of the adults in charge. So...it probably would happen someplace.

[Duque de Bragança]

In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, French explorers, traders, and missionaries in the Mississippi Valley occasionally encountered Native Americans who could be classified neither as men nor women. They called such individuals berdaches, a French term for younger partners in male homosexual relationships. In fact, Plains Indian berdaches are best described as occupying an alternative or third gender role, in which traits of men and women are combined with those unique to berdache status. Male berdaches did women's work, cross-dressed or combined male and female clothing, and formed relationships with non-berdache men.

Plains Indian women often engaged in hunting and warfare, but a female role equivalent to that of male berdaches, although common west of the Rockies, has been documented in the Plains only among the Cheyennes (the hetaneman). Even so, some Plains Indian women became notable warriors and leaders and behaved much like berdaches. In the early nineteenth century, Running Eagle of the Piegans wore male clothing on war parties, while Woman Chief of the Crows had four wives.

The French even invented the term for it. 

The real French term, in modern spelling at least, is bardache though, otherwise Viper and other francophones won't be able to find it in a dictionary. 

[Malthus]

Native Americans, for one. 

Do Native American progressives reject the Gender Trinary?

They are just pissed that the name comes from the French, a slang term at that. They now prefer "two-spirit".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit

[Valmy]

They are just pissed that the name comes from the French, a slang term at that. They now prefer "two-spirit".

So they chose an English term. Well we guess we know who won the Seven Years War. Stupid Louis XV.

[mongers]

Thread exec.sum. please. 

Did I miss anything?

Not really.  Yi assumes boys will pretend to be trans to obtain sexual gratification; some take the position that boys just need to be boys; others take the view that reasonable accommodation is the answer and the policies in Vancouver and Toronto were posted; Valmy was concerned about local autonomy in creating such policies - that was probably the best part of the discussion.  After that the discussion was diverted into whether outdated definitions of mental illness were still valid.

Thanks CC, half an hour of my life saved.

[Martinus]

I think India and Nepal also have the third gender. And some Polynesian cultures.

But I guess this is the curse of our culture. We like to be binary. Very manichean. Hell, even 90% of the entire gay liberation culture has been about pretending we are just like the straights.

[Valmy]

I think India and Nepal also have the third gender. And some Polynesian cultures.

But I guess this is the curse of our culture. We like to be binary. Very manichean. Hell, even 90% of the entire gay liberation culture has been about pretending we are just like the straights.

Huh. I have known many people from Nepal and India and none of them have mentioned this before. But then how often does a gender category a tiny percentage of the population occupy come up in conversation?

Our culture is not unique to having two genders.

As far as gays pretending to be just like the straights well...when you raised by wolves you are going to resemble them at least a little bit surely?

[Razgovory]

I think India and Nepal also have the third gender. And some Polynesian cultures.

But I guess this is the curse of our culture. We like to be binary. Very manichean. Hell, even 90% of the entire gay liberation culture has been about pretending we are just like the straights.

You do realize, this isn't really the type transsexualism we were talking about, right.  It's closer to being a nun or eunuch.

[Martinus]

I think India and Nepal also have the third gender. And some Polynesian cultures.

But I guess this is the curse of our culture. We like to be binary. Very manichean. Hell, even 90% of the entire gay liberation culture has been about pretending we are just like the straights.

Huh. I have known many people from Nepal and India and none of them have mentioned this before. But then how often does a gender category a tiny percentage of the population occupy come up in conversation?

Our culture is not unique to having two genders.

As far as gays pretending to be just like the straights well...when you raised by wolves you are going to resemble them at least a little bit surely?

Yeah, but we are different. We tend towards polyamory, or at least more unusual set ups - yet we settle for monogamy. Also, equating lesbians and gays is just a no-no - we are galaxies apart.

But I also agree with Bill Maher - after all the sexual liberation of the last decade, it's you, heterosexual folk, who get the short end of the stick - because we are free to express ourselves, but you guys are still stuck in your old Victorian expectations. Time to throw off the shackles and begin the new aeon. 

[The Brain]

Throw off the shackles to express yourself sexually? Are you on drugs?