Routine Shootings at US Schools and Universities Megathread.

[The Brain]

I don't think it is a good idea to place guns in a school environment.  The risks involved cannot be underestimated. 

[Eddie Teach]

Unless you're a GOP politician or the NRA.

[jimmy olsen]

"It is sobering that in 2017, there were 144 police officers who died in the line of duty and about 1,000 active duty military throughout the world who died, whereas 2,462 school-age children were killed by firearms,"

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/22/health/gun-deaths-school-age-children-trnd/index.html

[dps]

"It is sobering that in 2017, there were 144 police officers who died in the line of duty and about 1,000 active duty military throughout the world who died, whereas 2,462 school-age children were killed by firearms,"

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/22/health/gun-deaths-school-age-children-trnd/index.html

I have a feeling that the active duty military deaths are a bit higher than what this report states.

At any rate, the article isn't really relative to this thread.  The vast majority of those school age children weren't shot at school.

[Valmy]

Accidents I presume?

[dps]

Accidents I presume?

Some, I assume.  But most were probably murders that didn't happen at schools.  Not a good thing, but also not the topic of the thread.  Which would be Ok if it were an ACW hijack.

[Oexmelin]

From the link:

"The study found these listed causes of death among the children: 61% from assault; 32% from suicide; 5% accidental; and 2% undetermined"

[DGuller]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

[mongers]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

Or neither.

[PDH]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

Yeah, and both groups knew what they were signing up for when they joined.  Complaining is for losers.

[The Minsky Moment]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

There is nothing dishonest or moronic about it.

The comparison is between US school-aged children and total police and military personnel in the world.

There are approximately 57 million school-aged children in the US.
There are approximately 19 million active duty military and 12 million police officers in the world = 31 million.

So if US children die at the same rate as military and police, one would expect about 2050 child deaths, as opposed to 2,462 observed. 

[crazy canuck]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

How do you suggest making the point that being a school aged child in the US is more dangerous than professions which are considered to be very dangerous.

[Habbaku]

I think it's pretty unfair to compare untrained US students against trained world servicemen. Even the shittiest militaries equip their soldiers with a rifle and ammunition, while US students go without even a pistol unless it's self-provided and brought to school.

[DGuller]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

There is nothing dishonest or moronic about it.

The comparison is between US school-aged children and total police and military personnel in the world.

There are approximately 57 million school-aged children in the US.
There are approximately 19 million active duty military and 12 million police officers in the world = 31 million.

So if US children die at the same rate as military and police, one would expect about 2050 child deaths, as opposed to 2,462 observed.

I'm pretty sure the cop deaths at least are US figures, otherwise it would be so small as to defy common sense.  I think same goes for military deaths.  Apart from that, there is mixing and matching of causes of death;  counting some for children while not counting them for cops.

[DGuller]

There is no reason to ruin a good point with intellectually dishonest statistics.  There are a bit more children then there are police officers, so comparing number of deaths between the two groups is moronic or misleading.

How do you suggest making the point that being a school aged child in the US is more dangerous than professions which are considered to be very dangerous.

As a rule, I suggest not making points that are most likely false.