Oregon shooting: Initial reports of 10 dead at Umpqua Community College

[Martinus]

13 dead

Gunman was killed in a shootout with police, not sure if he's included in that count.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/oregon-college-shooting/multiple-casualties-after-shooting-umpqua-community-college-n437051

This is odd:

The shooter told people to get on the ground and started asking them people to stand up and state their religion, Moore told the newspaper.

I wonder what was the "right answer".

Answering "christian" got you shot in the head.  Other answers got you shot in the leg.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/youre-going-to-see-god-oregon-shooter-asked-hostages-if-they-were-christians-witnesses-say

I wonder what you got for a Discordian Thelemite Jungian. 

[Valmy]

So I guess you guys just need to mobilise and change the system by electing people who are not hostage to the gun lobby - that is if you cared enough about it to do something instead of bitching on online forums.

The problem is I am not sure what exactly I want beyond not being held hostage by the gun lobby.

[Berkut]

So I guess you guys just need to mobilise and change the system by electing people who are not hostage to the gun lobby - that is if you cared enough about it to do something instead of bitching on online forums.

It doesn't work that way - we don't get options between those who are willing to enact more gun restrictions and those who are not, since the system weeds out those who are willing before they are ever a choice for most.

[Berkut]

Answering "christian" got you shot in the head.  Other answers got you shot in the leg.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/youre-going-to-see-god-oregon-shooter-asked-hostages-if-they-were-christians-witnesses-say

I wonder what "militant atheist" would have gotten...

[Jaron]

There has been a call to not glorify the shooter or mention his name or background.

Unsurprisingly, I've read a lot of comments from people who filled in the void by making him a Muslim terrorist with ties to ISIS here to execute Christians.

[Valmy]

Ah so withholding the name of the shooter to rob him of his 15 minutes triggers conspiracy theories? Shocking.

[Caliga]

So I guess you guys just need to mobilise and change the system by electing people who are not hostage to the gun lobby - that is if you cared enough about it to do something instead of bitching on online forums.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that America is a democracy or a republic, rather than a plutocracy.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

So I guess you guys just need to mobilise and change the system by electing people who are not hostage to the gun lobby - that is if you cared enough about it to do something instead of bitching on online forums.

This is the kind of empty statement that is easy to make in online debates about individual issues, but not easy to do.  This is but one of many important positions a representative will have.  What am I supposed to do if all the potential candidates have a position I don't like on at least key issue?

[Martinus]

So I guess you guys just need to mobilise and change the system by electing people who are not hostage to the gun lobby - that is if you cared enough about it to do something instead of bitching on online forums.

This is the kind of empty statement that is easy to make in online debates about individual issues, but not easy to do.  This is but one of many important positions a representative will have.  What am I supposed to do if all the potential candidates have a position I don't like on at least key issue?

Run!

[lustindarkness]

There has been a call to not glorify the shooter or mention his name or background.

Yeah, there is a bit of that in this story: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-school-shooting-hero/

Some on social media hailed Mintz's courage and encouraged people to remember him rather than the killer.

[Admiral Yi]

I'm not hearing a great deal of thought put into the regulatory specifics.  In other words, what type of gun control is supposed to keep guns out of the hands of mass shooters?

[Valmy]

I'm not hearing a great deal of thought put into the regulatory specifics.  In other words, what type of gun control is supposed to keep guns out of the hands of mass shooters?

Indeed. That is the thing. I am not sure what regulation is required. But somehow I don't think continuing to put more guns out there is the solution either.

Edit: As in the calls to make carry legal everywhere.

[Barrister]

I'm not hearing a great deal of thought put into the regulatory specifics.  In other words, what type of gun control is supposed to keep guns out of the hands of mass shooters?

Mandatory licensing in order to own firearms, requiring safety courses and background checks.

Bans on assault rifles and large capacity magazines.

Bans on carrying weapons in public places, open or concealed.

Ban private ownership of handguns.

Run afoul of the second amendment?  Probably.

[Valmy]

Yeah I was about to say assault weapons are usually not the issue, handguns are...but you had that covered 

[Razgovory]

Answering "christian" got you shot in the head.  Other answers got you shot in the leg.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/youre-going-to-see-god-oregon-shooter-asked-hostages-if-they-were-christians-witnesses-say

I wonder what "militant atheist" would have gotten...

Kiss on the cheek and a pat on the ass.