Is another holocaust-scale genocide possible?

Started by Syt, September 14, 2015, 05:02:20 AM

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Norgy

grumbler most likely is Adam, but won't admit to it.  :hmm:

Jaron

We Westerners eat too much. If we learned to love less food then we'd have enough food on hand to last for generations. As is, everyone must have seconds...and thirds...
Winner of THE grumbler point.

Valmy

Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
We Westerners eat too much. If we learned to love less food then we'd have enough food on hand to last for generations. As is, everyone must have seconds...and thirds...

The food just gets thrown out if we don't eat it.
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Valmy

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Quote from: Razgovory on September 14, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 11:09:05 AM
These seem like fringe attacks and mostly in isolated areas. I do not think a wide scale massacre would happen in India.

Calling the Gujaret riots fringe and isolated is like calling the Odessa pogroms an outlier.

That happened 12 years ago and have been roundly denounced. These things may happen again on a small scale in India but you are never going to see some kind of mass genocide of Muslims.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Martinus

Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
We Westerners eat too much. If we learned to love less food then we'd have enough food on hand to last for generations. As is, everyone must have seconds...and thirds...

The food just gets thrown out if we don't eat it.

France just recently introduced a law that prohibits grocery stores from throwing away food - any food they no longer want to sell must be given away to food banks and charities. This is a great idea, imo, and should make them think twice about over-stocking.

Martinus

Anyway, to answer the OP question, where there's a will, there's a way.

Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 14, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 11:09:05 AM
These seem like fringe attacks and mostly in isolated areas. I do not think a wide scale massacre would happen in India.

Calling the Gujaret riots fringe and isolated is like calling the Odessa pogroms an outlier.

They happened 12 years ago and have been roundly denounced. These things may happen again on a small scale in India but you are never going to see some kind of mass genocide of Muslims.

You see smaller things happen fairly regularly.  Terrorist attacks, riots, murders etc.  These often kill like a dozen people apiece.  I'd say there is a strong atmosphere of hatred there.  It doesn't help that a Hindu nationalist is the head of the government there.

Where do you get the idea that they are India is particularly tolerant?
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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on September 15, 2015, 10:04:42 AM
You see smaller things happen fairly regularly.  Terrorist attacks, riots, murders etc.  These often kill like a dozen people apiece.  I'd say there is a strong atmosphere of hatred there.  It doesn't help that a Hindu nationalist is the head of the government there.

Where do you get the idea that they are India is particularly tolerant?

More than 20 official languages. Untold dozens of ethnic groups. Three major religious groups (And many many minor ones). India could collapse almost immediately if they went all Hindu nationalist. It would be so against their national interest, and basic ideology, I just do not see it happening.
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Valmy

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Quote from: Martinus on September 15, 2015, 09:58:53 AM
France just recently introduced a law that prohibits grocery stores from throwing away food - any food they no longer want to sell must be given away to food banks and charities. This is a great idea, imo, and should make them think twice about over-stocking.

Interesting. If it works everybody should copy that. Food insecurity in the US would disappear over night.
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Eddie Teach

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Valmy

Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 10:18:02 AM
Indira Ghandi was such a model of tolerance  :P

She isn't one of the leaders in Civ.

Asoka's pretty friendly too.  :sleep:
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
We Westerners eat too much. If we learned to love less food then we'd have enough food on hand to last for generations. As is, everyone must have seconds...and thirds...

The food just gets thrown out if we don't eat it.

As callous as that may sound it is true.  The problem isn't food production but food distribution.

Malthus

Quote from: crazy canuck on September 15, 2015, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
We Westerners eat too much. If we learned to love less food then we'd have enough food on hand to last for generations. As is, everyone must have seconds...and thirds...

The food just gets thrown out if we don't eat it.

As callous as that may sound it is true.  The problem isn't food production but food distribution.

Reminds me of the old "eat what's on your plate - remember, there are people starving in [country with terrible problems]".

To which the kid's reply is some variant on "please, send people in [country] my broccoli".
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Norgy

Quote from: Martinus on September 15, 2015, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 09:31:36 AM
Quote from: Jaron on September 14, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
We Westerners eat too much. If we learned to love less food then we'd have enough food on hand to last for generations. As is, everyone must have seconds...and thirds...

The food just gets thrown out if we don't eat it.

France just recently introduced a law that prohibits grocery stores from throwing away food - any food they no longer want to sell must be given away to food banks and charities. This is a great idea, imo, and should make them think twice about over-stocking.

Fully agree. In most cases, date labelling is completely arbitrary. Eggs are perhaps the best case. Eggs do not spoil for months if stored coolly. Not sure if that applies to the EU's chlamydia-ebola-e-coli-salmonella-infested eggs, but it certainly does here in Socialist Paradise.