Well, fuck it - I like Internet shaming people after all

[Martinus]

What exactly qualifies as a "hobby hunter" to you Martinus?

Broadly speaking, anyone who hunts animals for sport (as opposed to having it as a part of cultural lifestyle to get food, like say an African tribe's hunter). More specifically, anyone who thinks killing animals is fun, takes pictures of himself with dead animals, or involves their kids in this sickness.

@Valmy, I am ambiguous about the "hunters have their place" argument. Sure, *some* of them can be said to perform some useful role (although I am not sure why it cannot be performed by forest wardens and the like). Still, as with butchers, executioners and prison wardens, you have to wonder what's wrong with a person who not only performs such role willingly but also apparently enjoys it.

[Barrister]

What exactly qualifies as a "hobby hunter" to you Martinus?

Broadly speaking, anyone who hunts animals for sport (as opposed to having it as a part of cultural lifestyle to get food, like say an African tribe's hunter). More specifically, anyone who thinks killing animals is fun, takes pictures of himself with dead animals, or involves their kids in this sickness.

@Valmy, I am ambiguous about the "hunters have their place" argument. Sure, *some* of them can be said to perform some useful role (although I am not sure why it cannot be performed by forest wardens and the like). Still, as with butchers, executioners and prison wardens, you have to wonder what's wrong with a person who not only performs such role willingly but also apparently enjoys it.

So what does it mean to "hav[e] ot as a part of [a] cultural lifestyle to get food"?  I know lots of northerners who go out to bag a moose to fill their freezer for the winter.  They aren't necessarily native (though many are), but that's part of their fall ritual - to go hunting.  Or people who hunt deer in areas where the population is out of control.

there's perhaps a distinction for pure trophy hunters, who don't eat the meat, but even then I'm not so sure I'm quick to condemn them.

Obviously the situation here is wrong - the lured an animal out of a natural preserve, and killed an animal that was tagged and collared.  But I don't think you can tar all hunters, no matter what kind, with the same brush.

[The Brain]

What exactly qualifies as a "hobby hunter" to you Martinus?

Broadly speaking, anyone who hunts animals for sport (as opposed to having it as a part of cultural lifestyle to get food, like say an African tribe's hunter). More specifically, anyone who thinks killing animals is fun, takes pictures of himself with dead animals, or involves their kids in this sickness.

@Valmy, I am ambiguous about the "hunters have their place" argument. Sure, *some* of them can be said to perform some useful role (although I am not sure why it cannot be performed by forest wardens and the like). Still, as with butchers, executioners and prison wardens, you have to wonder what's wrong with a person who not only performs such role willingly but also apparently enjoys it.

[grumbler]

So, it turns out that Marti lacks the virtue of empathy and instead hopes that those different from him are shot.  Who'd have predicted that? 

[alfred russel]

Bowhunting large lions in Africa seems like it would be dangerous.

[crazy canuck]

Bowhunting large lions in Africa seems like it would be dangerous.

Yep, the lion was killed.

[The Brain]

Bowhunting large lions in Africa seems like it would be dangerous.

Yes you should go after the cubs.

[derspiess]

Broadly speaking, anyone who hunts animals for sport (as opposed to having it as a part of cultural lifestyle to get food, like say an African tribe's hunter). More specifically, anyone who thinks killing animals is fun, takes pictures of himself with dead animals, or involves their kids in this sickness.

@Valmy, I am ambiguous about the "hunters have their place" argument. Sure, *some* of them can be said to perform some useful role (although I am not sure why it cannot be performed by forest wardens and the like). Still, as with butchers, executioners and prison wardens, you have to wonder what's wrong with a person who not only performs such role willingly but also apparently enjoys it.

Classic Marti. 

If I take a deer this fall, you'll be the first to know.

[Josephus]

I agree with Marti.

Yes, hunting for food is fine.

Trophy hunting, that is, hunting big game for the pleasure of mounting a head in your patients' waiting room, and posing with it, is not. This is purely for the pleasure of killing.

[Razgovory]

I don't think you Europeans understand how many fucking deer there are in the US.  Deer kill 200 people every year, and they never eat their kills.  They are blood thirsty monsters.

[Josephus]

His yelp page, whatever that is, isn't doing so good.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/07/28/a-vengeful-internet-trashed-the-yelp-page-of-the-minnesota-dentist-who-shot-cecil-the-lion/

[LaCroix]

what's the difference between killing for sport and killing for profit? i applaud the guy. he wanted to hunt something worthwhile, with a freaking bow, and he accomplished that goal. i applaud climbers of mt. everest, too. while the former involves killing an animal, mankind kills animals every day. it's what we do. until that changes, killing a lion with a bow may as well be similar to climbing a mountain. illegalities aside, of course.

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't think you Europeans understand how many fucking deer there are in the US.  Deer kill 200 people every year, and they never eat their kills.  They are blood thirsty monsters.

Then there the damn ticks.

[Eddie Teach]

Deer kill 200 people every year, and they never eat their kills.

How many of those people die in car wrecks cause they hit the deer? Doesn't seem like the deer will be in very good shape either after that.

[Razgovory]

Deer kill 200 people every year, and they never eat their kills.

How many of those people die in car wrecks cause they hit the deer? Doesn't seem like the deer will be in very good shape either after that.

All of them.  They are like suicide bombers.