The Off Topic Topic

[Zanza]

Some may even have been cat owners or like gardening. But that's completely irrelevant when remembering the Wannsee Conference and its participants.

[The Brain]

EDIT: She's apparently pivoting saying she didn't mean to say the Nazis were left ("That would be nonsense!"), but that the Nazis had some socialists elements in their agenda.

She's saying that the Nazis were right?

[Syt]

Some may even have been cat owners or like gardening. But that's completely irrelevant when remembering the Wannsee Conference and its participants.

I read today that the last active participant in the conference died in 1987. It was Gerhard Klopfer, representing the chancellery in place of Bormann. He had a pretty cushy life after the war working as a lawyer. German wiki article says he had to pay a fine and got 3 years probation. In the 60s he was investigated in connection to the Wannseekonferenz but no charges were pressed. And when he died in 1987, his family put a remembrance into the paper saying, that he led "a fulfilled life that was to the benefit of all those who came under his sphere of influence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Klopfer

[The Larch]

Some may even have been cat owners or like gardening. But that's completely irrelevant when remembering the Wannsee Conference and its participants.

Over here a (relatively fringe) right wing news site recently published a piece of news  titled "Nazis: The first Green government in the world" or somesuch, about how nazis were pioneers of animal welfare laws and things like that.

[Duque de Bragança]

Some may even have been cat owners or like gardening. But that's completely irrelevant when remembering the Wannsee Conference and its participants.

Over here a (relatively fringe) right wing news site recently published a piece of news  titled "Nazis: The first Green government in the world" or somesuch, about how nazis were pioneers of animal welfare laws and things like that.

The Blut und Boden ideal was definitively proto-Green.
I guess the animal welfare refers to the ritual slaughter ban.
Mind you, with the Third Reich not too big on vaccination, unlike Bismarck, it sounds very much like the nonsense leftist/new age/esoteric Greens are spouting.

[Jacob]

The Blut und Boden ideal was definitively proto-Green.
I guess the animal welfare refers to the ritual slaughter ban.
Mind you, with the Third Reich not too big on vaccination, unlike Bismarck, it sounds very much like the nonsense leftist/new age/esoteric Greens are spouting.

Is anti-vax primarily the purview of  leftist/new age/esoteric Greens in your part of the world?

We do have some anti-vax crystal munchers here as well, but it seems the anti-vax movement is dominated by "my freedoms!" right wing types in these parts and any granola types get co-opted by them over time rather than vice-versa.

[HVC]

Up until covid antivaxxer always strikes me as a left leaning phenomenon.  It's definitely not anymore.

[Duque de Bragança]

Is anti-vax primarily the purview of  leftist/new age/esoteric Greens in your part of the world?

Pure anti-vax, yes. Opponents on the right focus mostly on the freedom-infringing aspects of the various passes.

We do have some anti-vax crystal munchers here as well, but it seems the anti-vax movement is dominated by "my freedoms!" right wing types in these parts and any granola types get co-opted by them over time rather than vice-versa.

Over here, the "Big Pharma invented it to sell vaccines" is found on the loony left. No use in trying to explain that prophylactic medicines bring less profit than treatments post-infection.
Even the n°2 of the French Greens for the European parliament is infamous for her anti-vaccine views, not just for covid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michèle_Rivasi

Rivasi describes herself as "vaccination skeptic".[14] She sparked controversy in July 2021 after comparing the extension of the health pass obligation announced by President Macron with apartheid and many left-wing officials, including from the Green, expressed their indignation and criticised her.[15] On two occasions in 2021 she made a communication to the so-called ″conseil scientifique indépendant″ (Independent scientific council) of the highly controversial RéinfoCovid website that propagates COVID-19 vaccine misinformation.[16]

She is a strong supporter of alternative medicine and homeopathy.[17]

Of course, n.1 on the list, Yannick Jadot, now Green candidate for the Presidential elections, claimed to have discovered her anti-vaccine stance late in the election campaign. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Up until covid antivaxxer always strikes me as a left leaning phenomenon.  It's definitely not anymore.

A bipartisan issue now? Great!   

[Gaijin de Moscu]

Is anti-vax primarily the purview of  leftist/new age/esoteric Greens in your part of the world?

The neo-commies are among the most outspoken anti-vaxxers, in my experience. I suspect their motivation isn't about "freedom" but all about depopulating Russia to cause the government collapse. I could be wrong.

And I actually knew a new age type of coach who used to be staunchly against the vaccine. He claimed to live on such high vibrations that getting sick was impossible for him. Then he over-cooled himself in icy water, got a lung infection, severe Covid, and passed away. A real tragedy, he was a good man.

[Syt]

We do have some anti-vax crystal munchers here as well, but it seems the anti-vax movement is dominated by "my freedoms!" right wing types in these parts and any granola types get co-opted by them over time rather than vice-versa.

Same here.

[Sheilbh]

There's no political consistency here whatsoever on anti-vaxxers.

There's some on anti-mandates and that sort of stuff, but even there it's a broard rainbow coalition of nutters.

I mean the most prominent anti-vaxxer is Piers Corbyn who has diverse views

[Threviel]

The nazi's were actually quite forward thinking when it came to environmental and animal protection laws. There's a famous example of a professor being sent to the camps for dissecting a lobster in class without killing it painlessly. They even had plans to campaign against smoking as unhealthy, but conquering the world and murdering millions got in the way of that one.

[Sheilbh]

I'm 90% sure that the 18-24 year olds understand this as he/him, she/her etc and the over 65s understand it as Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms etc


The rest think they're being casual but are rightly held in disdain by young and old alike.

[garbon]