The Off Topic Topic

[Eddie Teach]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

Canadian here - we usually refer to Monday as the start.

So you admit Sunday is the Sabbath?

[Oexmelin]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

I think we consider Sunday in some kind of official sense, but it is totally Monday for all real purposes.

Sunday used to be the first day of the week for most of Christendom, something inherited from the Romans, IIRC. The industrial revolution, factory work, and eventually the shorter working week, contributed to making Monday the first day of the week. I remember learning in school that Sunday was the first day of the week - a lingering of Catholic education in 1980s Quebec - but the shift generally in the francophone world was tracked at the end of the 19th century: Sunday is the first day of the week in the Académie's dictionnary in 1875; the last day of the week in the dictionnary of 1932. In fact, my computer calendar (set in Canada: French) shows the week beginning on Sunday.

[Grey Fox]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

Canadian here - we usually refer to Monday as the start.

I didn't realize others thought it was otherwise.

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

Canadian here - we usually refer to Monday as the start.

Wait, what?

It's Sunday. Have to fight god forsaken France all the time over it too.

[grumbler]

Monday is the day I've always heard of as "the start of the workweek," but I don't think I've ever considered Sunday the start of the week.  It's that way on calendars, but maybe because it just seems more visually attractive to have the work week framed by weekend days.

My mental picture has always been that of five workdays followed by a weekend.

[Tamas]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

I think we consider Sunday in some kind of official sense, but it is totally Monday for all real purposes.

Sunday used to be the first day of the week for most of Christendom, something inherited from the Romans, IIRC. The industrial revolution, factory work, and eventually the shorter working week, contributed to making Monday the first day of the week. I remember learning in school that Sunday was the first day of the week - a lingering of Catholic education in 1980s Quebec - but the shift generally in the francophone world was tracked at the end of the 19th century: Sunday is the first day of the week in the Académie's dictionnary in 1875; the last day of the week in the dictionnary of 1932. In fact, my computer calendar (set in Canada: French) shows the week beginning on Sunday.

That makes no sense whatsoever. The Lord rested on the 7th day, not the first.

[crazy canuck]

Wait, what?

It's Sunday. Have to fight god forsaken France all the time over it too.

[Eddie Teach]

Are you laughing at France's misfortune?

[Agelastus]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

Our booking software is American and starts the week on Monday.

[HVC]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

I think we consider Sunday in some kind of official sense, but it is totally Monday for all real purposes.

Sunday used to be the first day of the week for most of Christendom, something inherited from the Romans, IIRC. The industrial revolution, factory work, and eventually the shorter working week, contributed to making Monday the first day of the week. I remember learning in school that Sunday was the first day of the week - a lingering of Catholic education in 1980s Quebec - but the shift generally in the francophone world was tracked at the end of the 19th century: Sunday is the first day of the week in the Académie's dictionnary in 1875; the last day of the week in the dictionnary of 1932. In fact, my computer calendar (set in Canada: French) shows the week beginning on Sunday.

That makes no sense whatsoever. The Lord rested on the 7th day, not the first.

The Sabbath is Saturday

[Admiral Yi]

converso!

[HVC]

Though given my tan I probably have  in me too

[Malthus]

Oy Americans- do you consider Sunday the first day of the week absolutely all the time as an absolute fact or is this up for debate?

No matter how many times I run into software doing this it always causes issues

Canadian here - we usually refer to Monday as the start.

So you admit Sunday is the Sabbath?

Jews have an entirely separate liturgical calendar. 😉

Today is Monday, February 15, 2021 - the first day of the week - in the ordinary calendar.  It is 3 Adar, 5781 in the Jewish Calendar. Weeks in Judaism start on Sunday (Yom Rishon) and end on the Sabbath, which is in English Saturday.

Needless to say, the question concerned the "ordinary" week, and not the liturgical one.

[Malthus]

Interestingly, Christians assert (and some nations still officially hold) that Sunday is the first day of the week, because it is the Sabbath.

Jews agree that Sunday is the first day of the week, because it *isn't* the Sabbath. That would be Saturday, and the sabbath ends the week - it does not begin the week - because it reflects the creation story: on the seventh day, God rested.

I have no idea why Christians concluded Sunday ought to be the first day, rather than the last ...

[Oexmelin]

I have no idea why Christians concluded Sunday ought to be the first day, rather than the last ...

Resurrection.

[The Brain]

I have no idea why Christians concluded Sunday ought to be the first day, rather than the last ...

"So the last shall be first, and the first last."