The Off Topic Topic

[Valmy]

The usage of "warrior" was a silly exaggeration in the first place, and now it's turned into a negative?  Cool.

I thought internet warrior descriptors were supposed to be an ironic mocking term anyway right?

[Jacob]

I don't get it. 

Do you want to be walked through it?

Maybe. Body pillow and overweight guy with a fedora. Is this ironic? A genuine love of overweight fedora types? A specific culture reference to a specific character I don't get? Something else?

The dude on the pillow - with his "fedora" (which he's tipping), the shirt that says "m'lady", ill-fitting clothes, etc - displays a number of the stereotypical qualities of online anime-obsessed PUA-wannabes. This group is sometimes thought to be a significant target market for skeezy body pillows showing stereotypically sexy Asian anime girls.

Meanwhile, the person holding the pillow is an apparently not bad looking young Asian woman.

Thus we have role reversal on a number of different levels. It is, as you suspect, ironic

[DGuller]

If so that's not how I've seen it used.
Where I've seen it used is in the context of people expressing indefensible opinions like women shouldn't have been allowed the vote, or X race is genetically inferior (bell curve) or "Mexicans are rapists."  And rather than defend the substance of such views, which they can't, they attack the *style* of the people who attack them.  It is a rhetorical mode that seeks to elevate obnoxious assholery into a kind of cool.

Virtually any term used to describe human behavior can be misappropriated.  That doesn't mean the descriptor as originally used lacks validity.

We already had a descriptor for the phenomenon you raised.  Political correctness.  Perfectly usable term understandable by all.  And it has the considerable virtue of being a descriptor of conduct or argument.  As opposed to "SJW" which is inherently personal and ad hominem.

I don't think outrage generation and political correctness are the same thing.  Political correctness is something most people engage in when it comes to subjects where plain correctness is deemed objectionable, because the consequences for not doing it can be severe.  Outrage generators are actively looking for fights and not waiting for fully baked pretexts.

[Admiral Yi]

You'll have to convince Jacob on this one.   

You had virtually identical objections to the use of the term PC, i.e. it is only used as a defense of troglydite behavior.

[Razgovory]

If so that's not how I've seen it used.
Where I've seen it used is in the context of people expressing indefensible opinions like women shouldn't have been allowed the vote, or X race is genetically inferior (bell curve) or "Mexicans are rapists."  And rather than defend the substance of such views, which they can't, they attack the *style* of the people who attack them.  It is a rhetorical mode that seeks to elevate obnoxious assholery into a kind of cool.

Virtually any term used to describe human behavior can be misappropriated.  That doesn't mean the descriptor as originally used lacks validity.

We already had a descriptor for the phenomenon you raised.  Political correctness.  Perfectly usable term understandable by all.  And it has the considerable virtue of being a descriptor of conduct or argument.  As opposed to "SJW" which is inherently personal and ad hominem.

I disagree.  I asked exactly what "Political correctness" means on this board, and I got answers all over the spectrum.  Regerny publishing has printed numerous books titled "the politically incorrect guide to X"  A quick scan of those books tends to reveal a strong overlap between "Politically incorrect", and simply factually incorrect.

[Valmy]

Regerny publishing has printed numerous books titled "the politically incorrect guide to X"  A quick scan of those books tends to reveal a strong overlap between "Politically incorrect", and simply factually incorrect.

Oh man those were bad. I had forgotten about that.

[DGuller]

People who are proudly "politically incorrect" tend to be bigoted idiots.  That doesn't mean that political correctness is not an insidious attempt to shut down the conversation about certain topics.

[Jacob]

You had virtually identical objections to the use of the term PC, i.e. it is only used as a defense of troglydite behavior.

Ah I see. There are some nuance differences - particularly in how politically incorrect is worn as a badge of honour and IMO has eclipsed the use of "PC" as a term of dismissal, and the histories of the terms - but I see what you mean.

We could get into it at length if you're inclined, but I'm fine just leaving it too.

[derspiess]

People who are proudly "politically incorrect" tend to be bigoted idiots.  That doesn't mean that political correctness is not an insidious attempt to shut down the conversation about certain topics.

What if we're politically incorrect and not so much proud, but kind of okay with it?

[DGuller]

People who are proudly "politically incorrect" tend to be bigoted idiots.  That doesn't mean that political correctness is not an insidious attempt to shut down the conversation about certain topics.

What if we're politically incorrect and not so much proud, but kind of okay with it?

Case by case.

[Razgovory]

People who are proudly "politically incorrect" tend to be bigoted idiots.  That doesn't mean that political correctness is not an insidious attempt to shut down the conversation about certain topics.

Being "political incorrect" is so often an effort to portray oneself as some sort of hero who tells truth to power, while Politically correct is portrayed as unthinking conformity.  There are many "politically incorrect" topics that really aren't worthy of conversation, such as "The Holocaust never happened".  To often people proudly adopt the politically incorrect terminology to take some sort of moral high ground while they spout simple lies.

[Jacob]

From here: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/136

[Admiral Yi]

Because they need capital, duh.

[CountDeMoney]

Seeing how you are a textbook example of a kind and sensitive person, I am not surprised by your reaction. But let's QQ for Palestinians.

  How exactly am I a "kind and sensitive person"?  (To the extent this incredibly overused alt-right coinage has any meaning beyond a generic insult,)  I'm certainly not a "cuckservative," which seem to be Milo's preferred taunt.

Poor Martinus...he wishes so much to be avant garde with his little slings and arrows, and yet fails miserably from his post-Commie Eastern European backwater. 
He's like the chick that tries to drop hints to everybody about her recent bisexual experience for the Look-At-Me-I'm-Edgy shock value, complete oblivious to the fact that's sooooo 1995, and as pedestrian as a sidewalk.

[The Minsky Moment]

Nah he's just crushing on this Greek breitbart "reporter"
Give it a few months, he'll move on to the next one.