Massacre at historic African American Church in Charleston

[Ideologue]

All jokes about his brony affiliation or hipster taste in supremacist flags aside, this really is sad. What surprises me is it that it isn't more common- People who look and talk like Dylann Roof are a dime a dozen. In fact, you can at this  very moment find him the man of the hour amongst his former demographic of lonely losers who hang out in their weeaboo white supremacist echo-chambers.

Nobody wants to hear about sympathy for murderers (especially racist ones, as this proves somehow a greater anathema still than mere murder, but I feel like I can understand this person. It bothers me people are already talking about mental illness- it's no such thing; just a murderous racist who acted on the stuff a lot of them talk about all the time. His actions shouldn't be explained away as those of the mentally ill, or anyway any more mentally ill than other fringe extremists whose ideology drives them to violence.

  I don't really see how this is supposed to be solved. It seems like the South is just a rough deal for all parties involved, and the best solution is to not be anywhere near- and that's a very sad thought.

I could solve it in a day with two atomic bombs. I need two in case they need me to prove I'm serious.

[Valmy]

The unbelievable decency of the victim's families is pretty heart wrenching. They are better Christians than me.

[MadImmortalMan]

The unbelievable decency of the victim's families is pretty heart wrenching. They are better Christians than me.

Me too. It's kinda inspiring actually.

[Razgovory]

Thank God, Viking isn't here to see it.

[Caliga]

The Amish did the same thing when the crazy dude shot up one of their schoolhouses and killed a bunch of their kids about ten years ago.  That shooter killed himself, and they all went to his funeral too.

[sbr]

[katmai]

Gotta love the NRA

[jimmy olsen]

South Carolina

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/benjamin-tillman-south-carolina_n_7622334.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

This Racist Terrorist Did Far More Damage Than Dylann Roof. Now He Watches Over South Carolina's Statehouse.
Posted: 06/19/2015 2:30 pm EDT Updated: 06/19/2015 2:59 pm EDT


Benjamin Ryan "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman was a popular politician, a campaign finance reformer, a wealthy landowner, a successful farmer, one of the founding fathers of a university, the governor of South Carolina, a U.S. senator, and was even once considered a potential Democratic presidential candidate.

Yet much like Dylann Roof, who shot and killed nine people at an African-American church in Charleston this week, Tillman was also a racist terrorist. While authorities in South Carolina have one of these men behind bars, the state is simultaneously honoring the other racist terrorist with an 8-foot statue on the grounds of the statehouse.

There's been a lot of discussion about the Confederate flag that flies on the grounds of the South Carolina statehouse in Columbia, which was still at full mast Thursday. But just steps away from that flag, South Carolina is honoring Tillman, who -- as columnist Will Moredock wrote for Charleston City Paper last year -- most historians today regard "as a fire-breathing racist, opportunist, and demagogue who played on the worst of human nature to promote himself to the highest levels of state government."

Just like Roof, Tillman was proud of the role he played in slaughtering African-Americans, and both Roof and Tillman were involved in killing black state senators. The black state senator who Roof killed, Clementa C. Pinckney, was shot at a bible study at a church. The black state senator killed under Tillman's watch, Simon Coker, was -- according to Tillman's own account -- on his knees praying when he was shot. Tillman said that while it may "appear a ruthless and cruel thing," the struggle he was involved in "meant more than life or death. It involved everything we held dear, Anglo-Saxon civilization included."

Tillman said on the floor of the Senate that the South had "never recognized the right of the negro to govern white men, and we never will." While Roof reportedly said he had to slaughter African-Americans because they "rape our women" and are "taking over our country, Tillman said southern whites would lynch any African-American who would go about "gratifying his lust on our wives and daughters."

Tillman said he and others had "done our level best" to stop black citizens from voting, and that white supremacists had "scratched our heads to find out how we could eliminate the last one of them. We stuffed ballot boxes. We shot them. We are not ashamed of it.

Speaking about the Hamburg Massacre of 1876, when his militia killed black Republicans, Tillman said he and his men intended to "strike terror," and that leaving "seven dead Negroes lying stark and stiff" had the impact they desired.

The white supremacist group Stormfront calls Tillman one of "the greatest men South Carolina and indeed this nation has ever produced."

The statue honoring Tillman was unveiled in 1940, just 75 years ago. A bill to remove the statue from the grounds of the statehouse stalled in 2008. But the statue isn't the only way Tillman is still being honored: Just a few months ago, in February 2015, the board of trustees at Clemson University voted not to change the school's clock tower, which is named Tillman Hall.

[Martinus]

And there probably are some foul corners of South Carolina where it still needs discrediting.

Like the city halls still flying the flag of traitorous racist scum?

[Martinus]

In space, no one can hear you whistle "Dixie".

Well, I for one would support all confederacy supporters to be sent into space - and then let their shape ships decompress.

[Syt]

In space, no one can hear you whistle "Dixie".

[HVC]

stay classy NRA

http://gawker.com/nra-board-member-blames-charleston-shooting-deaths-on-v-1712819037

[Razgovory]

stay classy NRA

http://gawker.com/nra-board-member-blames-charleston-shooting-deaths-on-v-1712819037

Conceal and Carry is legal there, so his position is irrelevant.  Anyone could have legally had a gun.

[jimmy olsen]

The wingnuts manifesto 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?_r=0

Server's crashing, so here's the wayback machine

Manifesto
https://web.archive.org/web/20150620135047/http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

Dead body from the movie Romper Stomper is the page picture. Pretty real looking. Click the photos link to download a zip file
https://web.archive.org/web/20150620134455/http://lastrhodesian.com/

[jimmy olsen]

Nice gesture.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/20/jerry-richardson-donates-100000-to-charleston-murder-victims

Jerry Richardson donates $100,000 to Charleston murder victims
Posted by Mike Florio on June 20, 2015, 12:53 PM EDT
Jerry Richardson AP

The tragedy that rocked Charleston, South Carolina three days ago has resonated throughout America. For Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, it prompted a specific act of generosity.

Via Panthers defensive Colin Cole's Twitter account, Richardson has donated $100,000 to the victims of the mass shooting, with $10,000 to each of the families of the nine murder victims to help defray funeral costs and $10,000 to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

"Some things are just bigger than football," Cole wrote. "Thank you Mr. Richardson."

Anyone interested in making a contribution to the Mother Emanuel Hope Fund can do so by following the instructions here.