EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Razgovory]

I love it how arch-leftist Martim Silva turns into a ethnic nationalist, and starts citing Jaques Chirac to boot.

He's always been a fascist.  Population of the US keeps increasing at a pretty good pace.

[Habbaku]

I've just finished reading Peter Heather's book on the fall of the Roman Empire. It has a lurid cover so I nearly didn't buy it, an excellent read though with some interesting ideas, recommended.

Lurid cover?  Which one?

[crazy canuck]

Kids are cute generally.  Not particularly surprising but it does help to remind people of that every now and then.

On the other hand, children are generally a nuisance. Not particularly surprising but it does help to remind people of that every now and then.

One needs to have a particular point of view or lifestyle to accept that as a general principle.

[Martim Silva]

I love it how arch-leftist Martim Silva turns into a ethnic nationalist, and starts citing Jaques Chirac to boot.

He's always been a fascist.  Population of the US keeps increasing at a pretty good pace.

US population is increasing because it is too taking in large amounts of immigrants, especially from South America.

In fact, if you see the US population line, you can see America too will eventually reach a breaking point, though at a later stage. In 1995 you had 266 million people, 20 years later you have 316 million. This is not sustainable.

It was mentioned that Latin America has declining birth rates, but if so they are not visible. Honduras went from 5 million people in 1991 to 8 million in 2013 (+40%). In the same time period, Guatemala rose from 9 to 15 million (+66%), Brazil from 152 to 200 million (+31%), Colombia from 34 to 48 million (+41%), Mexico from 88 to 122 million (+38%). And the pattern is the same throughout the region, which in addition has trouble creating jobs.

Doubt that all those excess young people will just languish in the streets of their countries.

Also, there is a difference between being from the Left and being from the 'Caviar Left'. Someone that cares about workers KNOWS that this movement means misery for the poorer classes, which will either be smothered in taxes to pay for the newcomers' welfare, have their wages drastically cut to compete, or see housing prices skyrocket, as the construction industry cannot cope with all the new demand (this is particularly true in the overpopulated UK).

The 'Caviar Left' - which is the one you allude to - actually works with big businesses and just plays the 'feel-good' card, always refusing to face the problems, using 'smoke and mirror' tactics, never taking any tough decisions or giving a rats' ass about the future of the poor in their country.

(There is a reason why the Greek KKE always refused any coalition with the fools of Syriza, and why all parties like the KKE refuse alliances with parties like the Syriza. Because that Left that advogates irrestricted immigration is the false Left of pampered rich city brats, who does not care about the workers).

That said, the situation in Europe is not good at all. Even if all migrants were blue-eyed blondes, such a massive influx of people means a severe strain on the finances of the EU member states. Even because the 'better educated' are educated in writing in Arabic (useless), speak Arabic (useless) and have courses that were marked by Islamic teachings (if you get to speak with a Syrian about this, he will kindly explain to you that in his country the courses and degrees you can take are determined by how many of the Sacred Texts you know by heart, not by technical knowledge).

Btw, I think it has ocurred to you all that these regions are not known for their stellar engineers, doctors or large factories, right? These people never had the professional skills Europe needs.

That makes it an economic crisis.

However, almost all come from a different civilization, the Islamic one, bound by their ways. And they are not nice.

From throwing to the sea any Christians they find on their boats bound for Europe:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/

to executing Christans on the beaches of Libya to ensure only Muslims board the ships:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article4416389.ece

To refusing aid packages because they are not Halal and have a cross:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeMIX90-594

Means that these people will come into direct clash with the cultures of the nations they are entering, far beyond anything the christian mexicans can ever do in the US.

Taken together (and add the fact that ISIS said it managed to make 4,000 if its fighters enter the EU posing as migrants, which means a lot of terrorist attacks to come), we have a situation that will lead societies to the brink.

Since the UN and European governments are warning that many more millions will come in the very near future, the strain is enough for us to envision a breaking point scenario.

We really don't even need to reach the race issue, the red lines that indicate a civilizational collapse start to flash wildly far before that.

[Agelastus]

I've just finished reading Peter Heather's book on the fall of the Roman Empire. It has a lurid cover so I nearly didn't buy it, an excellent read though with some interesting ideas, recommended.

Lurid cover?  Which one?

Presumably the British one with the statue, the red background and the suggestion of flames.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fall-Roman-Empire-New-History/dp/0330491369/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1442006887&sr=8-2&keywords=peter+heather

[Duque de Bragança]

I love it how arch-leftist Martim Silva turns into a ethnic nationalist, and starts citing Jaques Chirac to boot.

Since when Chirac is a reference in either area? This anecdote referred by Martim is an exception, Chirac was drunk "le bruit et l'odeur". Chirac is actually the one to blame for most of immigration in France with his stupid family regrouping. Chirac came from the Left. Apart from that, he was never really known for being coherent: pro-Turkey in the EU, but against Portugal and Spain in the EEC.

[Razgovory]

I didn't call you a leftist.  I said fascist.  The people of Syria come from a country with a similar ideology as your own so really you should be happy to have so many allies.

[Tamas]

Poor bastards, I wonder if it's a kind of mass hysteria for them: they are already in Austria, what is all this rush to get to Germany?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2unh-_VbKuQ&feature=player_embedded



BTW, is the news true, that some migrants on a ship in Swedish waters threatened to jump into the water because they wanted to register in Finland and/or Norway instead of Sweden? 

And for a while I thought the quota system would actually work 

[Ed Anger]

My offer to take in Assad's wife stil stands

[mongers]

My offer to take in Assad's wife stil stands

+1.

You could install her in your Normandy chateau and I'll occasionally pay her a visit via Cherbourg or Caen. :fullmonty:

[Ed Anger]

My offer to take in Assad's wife stil stands

+1.

Threes a crowd.

[Liep]

BTW, is the news true, that some migrants on a ship in Swedish waters threatened to jump into the water because they wanted to register in Finland and/or Norway instead of Sweden? 

And for a while I thought the quota system would actually work 

In Denmark they went on a hunger strike because they didn't want to stay in Denmark but go to Sweden/Finland.

[Syt]

Orban says in German BILD that the refugees were perfectly safe in Turkey and Lebanon and only come to Europe looking for a better life. While he sympathizes with them, he says, there's no human right to a better life. He suggests that the EU should divert 1% of their budget to refugee projects in the countries neighboring Syria, and to keep increasing the funds until the refugees stop coming.

Austrian chancellor Faymann has again condemned how Hungary treats asylum seekers and added that putting people on trains, telling them that they'll go to A when in fact they're sent to B is reminiscent of the darkest chapter of history.

[Duque de Bragança]

Austrian chancellor Faymann has again condemned how Hungary treats asylum seekers and added that putting people on trains, telling them that they'll go to A when in fact they're sent to B is reminiscent of the darkest chapter of history.

Yay for Godwin. Somebody has to tell Faymann what happened to the people put on trains during the darkest chapter of Austrian and German history.

[garbon]

Austrian chancellor Faymann has again condemned how Hungary treats asylum seekers and added that putting people on trains, telling them that they'll go to A when in fact they're sent to B is reminiscent of the darkest chapter of history.

Yay for Godwin. Somebody has to tell Faymann what happened to the people put on trains during the darkest chapter of Austrian and German history.

Well, yes they haven't killed them...but then Hungary did send the asylum seekers by train to a camp without their knowledge, no?

By the by, I don't think the comparison is particularly useful but then we've seen much worse analogies come out of Europe.