EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[mongers]

Even though they have the lowest refugees per capita count.

Same story here, the hatred is biggest where there are fewest immigrants.

The same for countries as a whole ? ; iirc we've sofar taken 216 Syrian refugees vs Germany's plan for 800,000.   

[grumbler]

expelled (is that the right word?)

Deported.

It depends.  When being deported, one is sent back to the country of origin, after at least an administrative hearing.  To be expelled is just to be tossed back across the border you just crossed, or else told to leave.  Expelling is not a judicial issue.

Diplomats and pesky tourists or journalists get expelled.  Illegal immigrants get deported.

I think Tamas means deported, as you say, since it is a legal action.

[grumbler]

My ancestors were North German, but I'd probably fit in better in Bavaria.  They seem to have all the fun anyway.

Indeed.  Bavaria is the West Virginia of Germany.

[Tamas]

More interesting details on the "immigrant handling" bills.

It is hard to judge at this stage if this is incompetent rushing on the government's part, or a more sinister plot, but:

-While the aformentioned "crisis situation due to mass migration" is in effect, in the special "entry zone" on the border where they plan to stop the migrants, the army will be used if needed. They will not be acting on their own but in support of the police, but they WILL get police-like powers in the zone, like searching vehicles and putting people under arrest. And while the bill points out they can only use them to defend lives, they WILL be carrying firearms with live ammunition.

-Every asylum seeker entering this the "entry zone" will have his/her request evaluated within 8 days by a judge sent there to handle these requests. If accepted he/she will be permitted inside the country on terms already available for refugees, if not he/she will be deported

-The most controversial/confusing part is that this "crisis situation" will enable the police to search private properties without any court order. All they will need is "reasonable suspicion of illegal immigrants on the premises"
Most sources claim this will be valid within the whole country, others that it only applies to the "entry zone". I haven't read the original text

They basically seem to be immediately switching to measures valid for a zombie apocalypse

[Syt]

Speaking of which, the Interior Minister of Bavaria said on TV yesterday that comparing the current refugees to the displaced Germans at the end of WW2 is an insult to those displaced Germans. Note that he didn't word it that such a comparison is difficult, or is comparing apples to oranges (which would be fair enough). He considers it flat out an insult.

[Razgovory]

Those ratios coincide pretty closely with my opinion on which areas of Germany are the most tolerant.

I imagine that's where the jobs are.  If you are a refugee or migrant, you want to find a place where you can get a job.  Berlin probably outproduces the entirety of former East Germany.

[Syt]

Those ratios coincide pretty closely with my opinion on which areas of Germany are the most tolerant.

I imagine that's where the jobs are.  If you are a refugee or migrant, you want to find a place where you can get a job.  Berlin probably outproduces the entirety of former East Germany.

The economically strongest regions are the two southern states.

[Zanza]

Those ratios coincide pretty closely with my opinion on which areas of Germany are the most tolerant.

I imagine that's where the jobs are.  If you are a refugee or migrant, you want to find a place where you can get a job.  Berlin probably outproduces the entirety of former East Germany.

Berlin isn't known for its vibrant economy...
Berlin's GDP was about 109 bn Euro, the five Eastern states have about 300 bn Euro. Germany 2.74 trn Euro.

[Zanza]

Those ratios coincide pretty closely with my opinion on which areas of Germany are the most tolerant.

I imagine that's where the jobs are.  If you are a refugee or migrant, you want to find a place where you can get a job.  Berlin probably outproduces the entirety of former East Germany.

The economically strongest regions are the two southern states.

Hesse is actually richer among the non city states

[Syt]

But that's in large part due to Frankfurt, isn't it?

[Duque de Bragança]

But that's in large part due to Frankfurt, isn't it?

Per capita Wiesbaden (state capital full of retirees) is wealthier), not to mention Bad Homburg. 
But yeah, Frankfurt, the Stock Exchange, the banks, the airport, even some industry (Höchst) drive things up.

[Zanza]

But that's in large part due to Frankfurt, isn't it?

Yes, but what is your point? Bavaria without Munich or BW without Stuttgart isn't as rich either...

[Syt]

True.

[Liep]

"Three young children were found in critical condition due to dehydration on Friday after police in Austria stopped a truck with 26 refugees, Austrian news agency APA reported on Saturday.

The truck with refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and Bangladesh crammed in the back was stopped in the small town of St. Peter am Hart, close to the German border, APA said, quoting local police.

"It was a very close call," David Furtner from the Austrian police was quoted as saying, adding the children had been dizzy due to dehydration in the hot and sticky truck.

"Medical staff told us they would not have made it much longer."

The 29-year-old Romanian driver was arrested, while the children and their parents were taken to the hospital in the nearby town of Braunau."

This is insane.

[Duque de Bragança]

But that's in large part due to Frankfurt, isn't it?

Yes, but what is your point? Bavaria without Munich or BW without Stuttgart isn't as rich either...

Actually, Mannheim used to be the industrial capital of BW. Benz, as opposed to Daimler in Stuttgart, started in Mannheim.