Fuck Nokia and Siemens

[DisturbedPervert]

If only Iran hadn't been sold this technology, we might be able to see cell phone pictures of what's going on there.

[Martinus]

I doubt I'll turn into grallon, I don't like young men/boys. Thanks for keeping me in your thoughts though.

It's not about liking young men/boys. It's about being a cynical, bitter shell of a man who does not believe in anything.

[garbon]

It's not about liking young men/boys. It's about being a cynical, bitter shell of a man who does not believe in anything.

But that's not accurate.  At any rate, a cynical, bitter shell of a man would probably make for better company than a poseur like you, always ready to try out a new affectation.

[Zanza]

This kind of moral equivalency is why regimes like Iran are allowed to fester for so long. For me, it's a moral issue - and I am not going to buy their products any more.

Do you think the Iranians would be better of without any modern communication technology? Like say North Korea where the government can just brainwash them totally because they have no way to know what happens in the outside world? I think that information is the strongest weapon against an oppressive regime and giving millions of Iranians internet access will weaken the ability of the government to control information. They are trying now, but you can still find Neda on the net. Without internet access for the masses, would we even hear anything from Teheran?

[PDH]

This isn't about logic, Zanza, it is about gay rights.

[DGuller]

I agree with the evil German industrialist.  Flawed Internet access is way better than none at all, and it is indeed a much stronger weapon against authoriarian regimes than any military action.

[Neil]

There is no network technology that does not allow the providers to control the traffic. The only way that the Iranian government could not misuse this is to not have internet at all in Iran.

I still do not see how this alleviates Nokia/Siemen's responsibility in any way. "If we didn't do it, someone else would have." is not really a good defense, luv.

Alright, how's this:  If they hadn't, then all those cellphones and internet devices and whatnot that are allowing you to snivel with indignation wouldn't function.

You really should think these things through before you just fly off the handle.

[Iormlund]

On a completely unrelated topic, the evil German industrialist will be happy to know my boss has purchased a new boa ... err, Class R280.

[Neil]

- and I am not going to buy their products any more.

Well no shit.  They're not Apple.

[ulmont]

Nokia Siemens response:

Recent media reports have speculated about Nokia Siemens Networks' role in providing monitoring capability to Iran.  To clarify: Nokia Siemens Networks has provided Lawful Intercept capability solely for the monitoring of local voice calls in Iran.  Nokia Siemens Networks has not provided any deep packet inspection, web censorship or Internet filtering capability to Iran.

In most countries around the world, including all EU member states and the U.S., telecommunications networks are legally required to have the capability for Lawful Intercept and this is also the case in Iran.  Lawful Intercept is specified in standards defined by ETSI (European Telecommunications Standards Institute) and the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project).

To fulfill this Lawful Intercept requirement as part of an expansion to provide further mobile connectivity to Iran in the second half of 2008, Nokia Siemens Networks provided TCI, the Iranian national operator, with the capability to conduct voice monitoring of local calls on its fixed and mobile network.

The restricted functionality monitoring center provided by Nokia Siemens Networks in Iran cannot provide data monitoring, internet monitoring, deep packet inspection, international call monitoring or speech recognition. Therefore, contrary to speculation in the media, the technology supplied by Nokia Siemens Networks cannot be used for the monitoring or censorship of internet traffic.

http://blogs.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news/2009/06/22/provision-of-lawful-intercept-capability-in-iran/

[Zanza]

Well no shit.  They're not Apple.

Marty should better stop using mobile phones in Europe alltogether. It's very likely that his calls are routed via a Nokia Siemens supplied network. They are the market leaders in Europe after all. So by paying his mobile phone bill, he also indirectly buys Nokia Siemens products.

[Razgovory]

I doubt I'll turn into grallon, I don't like young men/boys. Thanks for keeping me in your thoughts though.

Well your names are similar.  I ussually confuse you two anyway.  Your the one with the pissy one right?  Or were you the one who likes to touch kids?

[Zanza]

On a completely unrelated topic, the evil German industrialist will be happy to know my boss has purchased a new boa ... err, Class R280.

The dealer must have kissed his feet. The Spanish car market is currently the worst in the entire world I think. I guess it's a nice luxury family car.

[Admiral Yi]

Nokia Siemens response:

Recent media reports have speculated about Nokia Siemens Networks' role in providing monitoring capability to Iran.  To clarify: Nokia Siemens Networks has provided Lawful Intercept capability solely for the monitoring of local voice calls in Iran.  Nokia Siemens Networks has not provided any deep packet inspection, web censorship or Internet filtering capability to Iran.

In most countries around the world, including all EU member states and the U.S., telecommunications networks are legally required to have the capability for Lawful Intercept and this is also the case in Iran.  Lawful Intercept is specified in standards defined by ETSI (European Telecommunications Standards Institute) and the 3GPP (3rd Generation Partnership Project).

To fulfill this Lawful Intercept requirement as part of an expansion to provide further mobile connectivity to Iran in the second half of 2008, Nokia Siemens Networks provided TCI, the Iranian national operator, with the capability to conduct voice monitoring of local calls on its fixed and mobile network.

The restricted functionality monitoring center provided by Nokia Siemens Networks in Iran cannot provide data monitoring, internet monitoring, deep packet inspection, international call monitoring or speech recognition. Therefore, contrary to speculation in the media, the technology supplied by Nokia Siemens Networks cannot be used for the monitoring or censorship of internet traffic.

http://blogs.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news/2009/06/22/provision-of-lawful-intercept-capability-in-iran/

So it seems both Marty and Zanza were wrong.

[Martinus]

Well, then, sorry about relying on WSJ reporting. Won't happen again.