Patriot Act NSA Surveillance Provisions Expire!

Started by jimmy olsen, June 01, 2015, 01:42:53 AM

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DontSayBanana

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
I'm almost certain the Constitution can be amended.  As to it being unamerican bullshit, that's negotiable.

Really?  The child didn't get the choice between being born here and being born in, say, Panama.  If someone is born into a community, they should be able to interact with said community.  Screwing with child welfare is radioactive, and even most Republicans try to repaint the issue to avoid being associated with it.

That said, I can see the flip side of the argument, that it incentivizes digging in until a baby is born, so the baby will be a US citizen (I think in those situations, it's more a case of "we're doing this for the kid" than the "anchor baby" BS that was spouted a couple years ago).  But that's why this issue persists- there's no easy answer without huge repercussions.
Experience bij!

crazy canuck

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 01, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
Violates the 14th amendment and is unamerican bullshit to boot.

I'm almost certain the Constitution can be amended.  As to it being unamerican bullshit, that's negotiable.

Sure, being certain something is possible is very different from it being probable.  And that distinction is part of the reason Rand is a nutcase.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall


derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall


Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on June 02, 2015, 10:56:21 AM
That's my role here.

:hug:

You are not filled with sufficient constant irrational rage to really fill that niche though.
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DGuller

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Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
What is the big knock on Paul, other than his crazy dad?
He seems to combine the worst of his dad and his party.  Whereas his dad was a nut, but a largely principled nut, Rand mixes and matches incoherently like most "libertarians".

derspiess

Quote from: Valmy on June 02, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 02, 2015, 10:56:21 AM
That's my role here.

:hug:

You are not filled with sufficient constant irrational rage to really fill that niche though.

I can fake it.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Caliga

Quote from: DGuller on June 02, 2015, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
What is the big knock on Paul, other than his crazy dad?
He seems to combine the worst of his dad and his party.  Whereas his dad was a nut, but a largely principled nut, Rand mixes and matches incoherently like most "libertarians".
IOW, Rand is actually a true politician, unlike Ron.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on June 02, 2015, 09:27:45 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 01, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
What is the big knock on Paul, other than his crazy dad?

Wiki offered me up several things:

Opposes gun control legislation
Opposes the department of education
Opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act because he wanted to include religious exemptions
Thinks vaccinations should be voluntary
Wants more money spent on physical barriers and drones to secure the border
Embraces the line of you can have gay marriage but don't call it marriage
Would like a federal ban on abortion
Seems to think the free market is the tonic for our many ills (which appears to include the Federal Reserve)
Would like to deny citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants in the US

I like most of that.

aka Pat Robertson.
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