Patriot Act NSA Surveillance Provisions Expire!

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Admiral Yi

#30
June 01, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 01, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
Violates the 14th amendment and is unamerican bullshit to boot.

I'm almost certain the Constitution can be amended.  As to it being unamerican bullshit, that's negotiable.

Razgovory

#31
June 01, 2015, 07:11:41 PM
The person who ignores me is Grumbler, he started because I started to quote previous statements that contradicted his current ones.  Grumbler does not like being corrected.  Rather then admit being wrong, he chose to ignore the problem and encouraged others to ignore me as well.  If anyone else is ignoring me, they can speak up.  Berkut sometimes does, and that was the result of me pointing out that "SS" symbol is not a stylized "SS" but Armean runes.  I don't think he's mad about that anymore, but who can tell?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

#32
June 01, 2015, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2015, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 01, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
Violates the 14th amendment and is unamerican bullshit to boot.

I'm almost certain the Constitution can be amended. 

Yes .  But.
This is the 14th amendment we are talking about here.  That is a pretty big deal to amend.  It's not like tinkering with the Presidential succession or allowing 18 year olds to vote.
Also I can't think of an amendment that ever removed a fundamental right like that.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Razgovory

#33
June 01, 2015, 07:56:34 PM
Habbaku, you want a serious answer?  I will tell you why I hold libertarianism in contempt.  At the basis of almost all libertarian ideas that I've seen the fundamental flaw of seeing freedom and liberty opposed to law and government as if it were some sort of sliding scale.  From this basic misunderstanding leads to tyranny, murder, and slavery.  A man without government is free from the interference of others only so long as his neighbors suffer him to be so.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#34
June 01, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2015, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 01, 2015, 06:56:12 PM
What's the difference between him and crazy dad, other than the haircut and a apparent willingness to compromise on isolationism?

Abortion.

Aren't they both against?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

#35
June 01, 2015, 11:05:07 PM
I don't believe Ron Paul is.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#36
June 01, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

#37
June 01, 2015, 11:18:27 PM
Ah, so he for letting the states decide who is and isn't a person.  Not atypical of that breed.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

celedhring

#38
June 02, 2015, 08:13:30 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 01, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
What is the big knock on Paul, other than his crazy dad?

Wiki offered me up several things:

Opposes gun control legislation
Opposes the department of education
Opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act because he wanted to include religious exemptions
Thinks vaccinations should be voluntary
Wants more money spent on physical barriers and drones to secure the border
Embraces the line of you can have gay marriage but don't call it marriage
Would like a federal ban on abortion
Seems to think the free market is the tonic for our many ills (which appears to include the Federal Reserve)
Would like to deny citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants in the US

So he is one of those "I'm a libertarian except for the things I don't like" libertarians?

garbon

#39
June 02, 2015, 08:23:15 AM
Yeah seems as much.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

#40
June 02, 2015, 08:37:51 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 02, 2015, 08:13:30 AM
So he is one of those "I'm a libertarian except for the things I don't like" libertarians?

It is complicated :P

I think his crowd are minarchists.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

#41
June 02, 2015, 09:27:45 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 01, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
What is the big knock on Paul, other than his crazy dad?

Wiki offered me up several things:

Opposes gun control legislation
Opposes the department of education
Opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act because he wanted to include religious exemptions
Thinks vaccinations should be voluntary
Wants more money spent on physical barriers and drones to secure the border
Embraces the line of you can have gay marriage but don't call it marriage
Would like a federal ban on abortion
Seems to think the free market is the tonic for our many ills (which appears to include the Federal Reserve)
Would like to deny citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants in the US

I like most of that.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

garbon

#42
June 02, 2015, 09:33:31 AM
Great?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

#44
June 02, 2015, 09:36:55 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 02, 2015, 09:27:45 AM
I like most of that.

Well duh. You stand with Rand.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
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