Police could seize illegal workers' wages under Tory plans

[grumbler]

BB, universities are now finding it much more difficult to obtain working permits for foreign professors, visiting chairs etc.  High tech companies are finding it very difficult to now bring in people on contracts (executives and employees) etc.  Restaurants in this area are crying out for employees because they can't fill the void left by the cancellation of the program.

The system is a mess right now.  The government didn't think before it reacted to what they perceived to be a political advantage of going anti-immigrant.

Put it this way, our immigration system is terrible at bringing in needed people in a timely way.  The foreign worker program covered up a lot of those problems.  And now it is gone.

Maybe they could hire Canadian citizens instead.

Exactly.  Insular universities have done wonders for China's higher ed academic reputation and Nobel Prize haul.

[crazy canuck]

BB, universities are now finding it much more difficult to obtain working permits for foreign professors, visiting chairs etc.  High tech companies are finding it very difficult to now bring in people on contracts (executives and employees) etc.  Restaurants in this area are crying out for employees because they can't fill the void left by the cancellation of the program.

The system is a mess right now.  The government didn't think before it reacted to what they perceived to be a political advantage of going anti-immigrant.

Put it this way, our immigration system is terrible at bringing in needed people in a timely way.  The foreign worker program covered up a lot of those problems.  And now it is gone.

Maybe they could hire Canadian citizens instead.

Maybe.  But if Canadian universities hire less able professors, Deans etc what do you think will happen to the quality of university education in Canada.  Who benefits from that very short sighted policy other than perhaps the less able would be university professor?

[Barrister]

BB, universities are now finding it much more difficult to obtain working permits for foreign professors, visiting chairs etc.  High tech companies are finding it very difficult to now bring in people on contracts (executives and employees) etc.  Restaurants in this area are crying out for employees because they can't fill the void left by the cancellation of the program.

The system is a mess right now.  The government didn't think before it reacted to what they perceived to be a political advantage of going anti-immigrant.

Put it this way, our immigration system is terrible at bringing in needed people in a timely way.  The foreign worker program covered up a lot of those problems.  And now it is gone.

Maybe they could hire Canadian citizens instead.

Maybe.  But if Canadian universities hire less able professors, Deans etc what do you think will happen to the quality of university education in Canada.  Who benefits from that very short sighted policy other than perhaps the less able would be university professor?

University professors are perhaps a bad example.  It's a field where positions are notoriously difficult to obtain - where we have an ample field of qualified domestic candidates.  Just because a foreign candidate might be marginally more qualified doesn't mean the domestic one is not qualified.  It's also a field where, due to teaching requirements, there is an advantage in hiring professors whose first language is in fact english or french.

[crazy canuck]

University professors are perhaps a bad example.  It's a field where positions are notoriously difficult to obtain - where we have an ample field of qualified domestic candidates.  Just because a foreign candidate might be marginally more qualified doesn't mean the domestic one is not qualified.  It's also a field where, due to teaching requirements, there is an advantage in hiring professors whose first language is in fact english or french.

I had posted a more detailed post but suffice to say just look around at the qualifications most Deans and professors have these days.  You will see many have been educated in foreign universities and many are from other countries.  I do not agree with your view that foreign candidates are "marginally more qualified".  There are certainly times when a domestic candidate is best.  But not always.  And isn't hiring the best person the goal in such situations?  Further, have you given any thought to the knock on affect of domestic academics not having opportunities in other countries?

Again, as Warspite said, this anti immigrant movement is madness

[Barrister]

University professors are perhaps a bad example.  It's a field where positions are notoriously difficult to obtain - where we have an ample field of qualified domestic candidates.  Just because a foreign candidate might be marginally more qualified doesn't mean the domestic one is not qualified.  It's also a field where, due to teaching requirements, there is an advantage in hiring professors whose first language is in fact english or french.

Which part are you having difficulty with?  Perhaps I can break it down using smaller words.

[crazy canuck]

University professors are perhaps a bad example.  It's a field where positions are notoriously difficult to obtain - where we have an ample field of qualified domestic candidates.  Just because a foreign candidate might be marginally more qualified doesn't mean the domestic one is not qualified.  It's also a field where, due to teaching requirements, there is an advantage in hiring professors whose first language is in fact english or french.

Which part are you having difficulty with?  Perhaps I can break it down using smaller words.

Yes, if our education system becomes what you wish that is all that will be left.

[The Minsky Moment]

The single most important determinant of a country's economic potential is the skills, ingenuity and work ethic of its population.  And one of the most effective ways for a country to increase its economic potential is to attract such people.  It is not as if the developed countries of the world have some kind of problem with rapidly increasing population - the situation is to the contrary.   The prevailing immigration policies in the developed world are simply backwards - if common sense prevailed, one would expect to see lively competition between nations to attract and retain skilled immigrants, instead there is a bizarre race to impose onerous restrictions, with the ultimate beneficiary being the country that has the least stupidly counterproductive policy.

The driver here is that the lump of labor fallacy remains one of the most durable and unshakable economic fallacies.

[crazy canuck]

The single most important determinant of a country's economic potential is the skills, ingenuity and work ethic of its population.  And one of the most effective ways for a country to increase its economic potential is to attract such people.  It is not as if the developed countries of the world have some kind of problem with rapidly increasing population - the situation is to the contrary.   The prevailing immigration policies in the developed world are simply backwards - if common sense prevailed, one would expect to see lively competition between nations to attract and retain skilled immigrants, instead there is a bizarre race to impose onerous restrictions, with the ultimate beneficiary being the country that has the least stupidly counterproductive policy.

[Maximus]

the ultimate beneficiary being the country that has the least stupidly counterproductive policy.

Any idea what country that is? I'm asking for a friend.

[sbr]

https://youtu.be/768h3Tz4Qik