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Polish Presidential Elections

Started by Martinus, May 10, 2015, 03:12:34 PM

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Martinus

Exit polls:

Incumbent (PO) 32.2%
Main rival (PiS) 34.8%
The anti-establishment rocker dude: 20.4%

The incumbent is going to win in second round but this is a close one. Not that I care. They are both pretty conservative.

Valmy

I thought you preferred PO over PiS(s)?
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Martinus

Quote from: Valmy on May 10, 2015, 03:29:11 PM
I thought you preferred PO over PiS(s)?

Somewhat but the president is right wing of PO - and really has no real powers.

Eddie Teach

To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Admiral Yi

Ceremonial presidents should be ditched.  Constitutional monarchs without any of the good parts.  No useful function.

PJL

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
Ceremonial presidents should be ditched.  Constitutional monarchs without any of the good parts.  No useful function.

Except they're more accountable than monarchies. A very important point.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: PJL on May 10, 2015, 04:24:32 PM
Except they're more accountable than monarchies. A very important point.

For what?  No one pays attention to them until they say something dumbass.

Valmy

Quote from: PJL on May 10, 2015, 04:24:32 PM
Except they're more accountable than monarchies. A very important point.

Sort of. Modern Monarchs are under constant surveillance by the press and if they become unpopular a simple majority in parliament will cost them everything. Sounds pretty accountable to me. I wound never want that job, much rather be figurehead President.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

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The Larch

Quote from: Valmy on May 10, 2015, 04:47:19 PMif they become unpopular a simple majority in parliament will cost them everything.

In which country can you change your system of government with a simple majority in parliament?

Sahib

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
Ceremonial presidents should be ditched.  Constitutional monarchs without any of the good parts.  No useful function.

His role isn't entirely ceremonial. He can veto legislation. He appoints or takes part in appointing of several important officials. I find the sentiment in the OP shortsighted. If PiS wins legislative elections in the fall, PO president could limit them a bit.

BTW, the results among the  high school and university students:

40% for a right wing-y version of Russel Brand who believes in magic powers of FPTP voting system to fix everything.
20% for the mainstream right wing candidate.
17% for a demented 70 year old reactionary libertarian.
12% for the current president, a moderate conservative.
3% for a lunatic who believes in Jewish-Masonic conspiracy and wants to execute journalists.

I think that creating a generation of retards is the biggest failure of post-communist Poland  :hmm:
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Larch on May 10, 2015, 04:51:38 PM
In which country can you change your system of government with a simple majority in parliament?

Do constitutional monarchies have rules on what it takes to abolish a monarchy?

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Sahib on May 10, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
His role isn't entirely ceremonial. He can veto legislation.

What happens if he does?

Sahib

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2015, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: Sahib on May 10, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
His role isn't entirely ceremonial. He can veto legislation.

What happens if he does?

Can be overriden by 3/5 majority in the Sejm.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Sahib on May 10, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Can be overriden by 3/5 majority in the Sejm.

OK, then not a total joke.

The Larch

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2015, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 10, 2015, 04:51:38 PM
In which country can you change your system of government with a simple majority in parliament?

Do constitutional monarchies have rules on what it takes to abolish a monarchy?

At least in Spain an abolishment of the monarchy would require to modify the constitution, and that can only done with a 2/3 majority in parliament, or something like that.