Why Not Utopia?

[Siege]

If it is so simple why aren't you a billionaire? It is not simple.

You are so consumed with consumerism...
When Henry Ford began producing the T model there was not a market for it, yet he wildly succeded.
That's the beauty of the free market system. Do not worry about consume.
If your product is attractive to consumers, it will be bought and traded and consumed.

All statists like you worry about the most unseemely things, like a Soviet economical comissar would.
"If we make million pencil, who will consume million pencil?"
It does not work that way, comrade.

[grumbler]

Lol, the terms historical materialism and political economy are well known.  And have been well known for some time.  One does not need to go to Georgetown or LSE to have heard those phrases uttered by professors, but according to you, for some strange reason, your economics professors did not use the term historical materialism when referring to the writings of Marx even though that was the tem he coined.  Odd.

Lol, the guy who has taken no economics courses at either place claims that it is "odd" that modern professors at those places use modern terms.   

At least you seem willing to back off from the specific lies to more vague, and so merely incorrect, statements.

[Ideologue]

If it is so simple why aren't you a billionaire? It is not simple.

You are so consumed with consumerism...
When Henry Ford began producing the T model there was not a market for it, yet he wildly succeded.
That's the beauty of the free market system. Do not worry about consume.
If your product is attractive to consumers, it will be bought and traded and consumed.

All statists like you worry about the most unseemely things, like a Soviet economical comissar would.
"If we make million pencil, who will consume million pencil?"
It does not work that way, comrade.

Wasn't one of the huge problems with central planning misallocation of resources based on incorrect or biased estimations of demand, sometimes tantamount to production for its own sake?

[grumbler]

If it is so simple why aren't you a billionaire? It is not simple.

You are so consumed with consumerism...
When Henry Ford began producing the T model there was not a market for it, yet he wildly succeded.
That's the beauty of the free market system. Do not worry about consume.
If your product is attractive to consumers, it will be bought and traded and consumed.

All statists like you worry about the most unseemely things, like a Soviet economical comissar would.
"If we make million pencil, who will consume million pencil?"
It does not work that way, comrade.

Wasn't one of the huge problems with central planning misallocation of resources based on incorrect or biased estimations of demand, sometimes tantamount to production for its own sake?

Siege's economic theory:  "To make a small fortune in business, start with a large fortune and use my methods."

[Admiral Yi]

Wasn't one of the huge problems with central planning misallocation of resources based on incorrect or biased estimations of demand, sometimes tantamount to production for its own sake?

That's a very generous characterization.  I think it's more accurate to say they were indifferent to demand.

[crazy canuck]

Lol, the terms historical materialism and political economy are well known.  And have been well known for some time.  One does not need to go to Georgetown or LSE to have heard those phrases uttered by professors, but according to you, for some strange reason, your economics professors did not use the term historical materialism when referring to the writings of Marx even though that was the tem he coined.  Odd.

Lol, the guy who has taken no economics courses

Who hasn't taken any economics courses?

You are really getting desperate now aren't you?

[grumbler]

Lol, the terms historical materialism and political economy are well known.  And have been well known for some time.  One does not need to go to Georgetown or LSE to have heard those phrases uttered by professors, but according to you, for some strange reason, your economics professors did not use the term historical materialism when referring to the writings of Marx even though that was the tem he coined.  Odd.

Lol, the guy who has taken no economics courses

Who hasn't taken any economics courses?

You are really getting desperate now aren't you?

What the fuck?  You snip my quote to change its meaning completely so as to accuse ME of being desperate?  Hell, you didn't even put ellipses to show you were snipping!

That's it.  I won't debate any further with anyone so intellectually dishonest.  I'm out.

[crazy canuck]

Lol, the terms historical materialism and political economy are well known.  And have been well known for some time.  One does not need to go to Georgetown or LSE to have heard those phrases uttered by professors, but according to you, for some strange reason, your economics professors did not use the term historical materialism when referring to the writings of Marx even though that was the tem he coined.  Odd.

Lol, the guy who has taken no economics courses

Who hasn't taken any economics courses?

You are really getting desperate now aren't you?

What the fuck?  You snip my quote to change its meaning completely so as to accuse ME of being desperate?  Hell, you didn't even put ellipses to show you were snipping!

That's it.  I won't debate any further with anyone so intellectually dishonest.  I'm out.

That's ok Grumbles.  The change only makes a difference if you assume you know my full educational background.  But I suppose the subtlety was lost on you as you attempted to puff out your academic chest.  Your attempt to back away from the comment that not one of your professors used the term historical materialism even though you claim, I forget exactly how you elegantly put it, but something like, "done lots of Marxism"  is the usual Grumbler attack style and so should surprise no one here.  We have seen it many times before.

[Berkut]

Am I correctly understanding the basic argument here - that Admiral Yi said he had never heard of a term, and CC insisted that it was not possible that Yi could have the education Yi claims without having heard said term?

So CC is arguing that Yi *must* be lying about whether he heard the term, or whether he has the education he claimed?

Is that...really...what is being debated?

[crazy canuck]

Am I correctly understanding the basic argument here -

No.

But don't let the facts get in the way Berky.

[The Brain]

Like a lawyer who hasn't heard of chris rea.

[The Brain]

If it is so simple why aren't you a billionaire? It is not simple.

You are so consumed with consumerism...
When Henry Ford began producing the T model there was not a market for it, yet he wildly succeded.
That's the beauty of the free market system. Do not worry about consume.
If your product is attractive to consumers, it will be bought and traded and consumed.

All statists like you worry about the most unseemely things, like a Soviet economical comissar would.
"If we make million pencil, who will consume million pencil?"
It does not work that way, comrade.

"If we make million gallon blueberry, who will consume million gallon blueberry?"

[DGuller]

That's ok Grumbles.  The change only makes a difference if you assume you know my full educational background.  But I suppose the subtlety was lost on you as you attempted to puff out your academic chest.  Your attempt to back away from the comment that not one of your professors used the term historical materialism even though you claim, I forget exactly how you elegantly put it, but something like, "done lots of Marxism"  is the usual Grumbler attack style and so should surprise no one here.  We have seen it many times before.

Um, dude, you intentionally quoted someone grossly out of context.  Mid-sentence out of context.  You don't get to do victory laps after doing something so transparently childish.

[DGuller]

If it is so simple why aren't you a billionaire? It is not simple.

You are so consumed with consumerism...
When Henry Ford began producing the T model there was not a market for it, yet he wildly succeded.
That's the beauty of the free market system. Do not worry about consume.
If your product is attractive to consumers, it will be bought and traded and consumed.

All statists like you worry about the most unseemely things, like a Soviet economical comissar would.
"If we make million pencil, who will consume million pencil?"
It does not work that way, comrade.

"If we make million gallon blueberry, who will consume million gallon blueberry?"

[Razgovory]

Well, if you did a victory lap every time you show Grumbler to be wrong you'd quickly find yourself to be running marathons.